Can a chess.com staff please draw this game???

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MisterBoy

Isn't this what conditional moves are for? :)

Sub1000
Rosenbalm wrote:
bb_gum234 wrote:

If it were my website, I'd adjudicate it drawn.

But I guess not everyone sees it that way.

Exactly, because you're logical. The poster above you completely misses my point. This has nothing to do with entitlement.

It is not logical to violate the terms of the game.

You did agree to 2 weeks per move right?
It is only a theoretical draw, not an actual draw, right?

No, "reasonable" is to force the game a draw. Logical would be to let the players play within the rules they agreed to, and to not breach those rules simply because they have become inconvenient.

What about my other example?

I have 4 queens on the board against your lone king. Should I ask chess.com to "force" me a win because it will take me at least a month to win the game?

Rosenbalm
Sub1000 wrote:
Rosenbalm wrote:
bb_gum234 wrote:

If it were my website, I'd adjudicate it drawn.

But I guess not everyone sees it that way.

Exactly, because you're logical. The poster above you completely misses my point. This has nothing to do with entitlement.

It is not logical to violate the terms of the game.

You did agree to 2 weeks per move right?
It is only a theoretical draw, not an actual draw, right?

No, "reasonable" is to force the game a draw. Logical would be to let the players play within the rules they agreed to, and to not breach those rules simply because they have become inconvenient.

What about my other example?

I have 4 queens on the board against your lone king. Should I ask chess.com to "force" me a win because it will take me at least a month to win the game?

No need. Four queens against a lone king cannot be drawn out. At all. No matter the situation checkmate will come within three moves. Guaranteed.

I gave you a more reasonable example up top. And yes. Resignations can be forced in tournament settings.

Rosenbalm
MisterBoy wrote:

Isn't this what conditional moves are for? :)

I tried that, but there are several possible checks, and several after that. I could maybe get two or three moves in advance if I were lucky. Either that or sit there and go four or five moves deep in making moves which would take an ungodly amount of time.

Rosenbalm

You know, I don't know why this bothers me so much. I think it's that I try to be respectful of others. When I am down significant material with no hope for counterplay, I resign. When someone offers me a draw I always accept provided it doesn't hurt my rating. Here is proof of that...

 

I accepted a draw here...


http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=111928296


That even hurt my rating a little bit. That's how considerate I try to be.

-waller-
Rosenbalm wrote:

You know, I don't know why this bothers me so much. I think it's that I try to be respectful of others. When I am down significant material with no hope for counterplay, I resign. When someone offers me a draw I always accept provided it doesn't hurt my rating. Here is proof of that...

 

I accepted a draw here...


http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=111928296


That even hurt my rating a little bit. That's how considerate I try to be.

So declining a draw in a won position and proceeding to win the game is now 'inconsiderate'?

Sub1000
Rosenbalm wrote:
No need. Four queens against a lone king cannot be drawn out. At all. No matter the situation checkmate will come within three moves. Guaranteed. I gave you a more reasonable example up top. And yes. Resignations can be forced in tournament settings.

I didnt see your other post.

I know 4 queens cannot be drawn unless they sack the 4 queens, or carelessly stalement. The point is that you cant force the player with the lone king to resign just because he will (in all probability) lose the game.

AFAIK, forced actions in tournaments happen for different reasons.

1) Time. If there is scheduling trouble, a tournament director may "force" actions they normally wouldnt, such as not letting players play games once a player has already won. In a casual setting, you may play all 16 games (or whatever) when in a tournament setting, you'd stop the match after one person accumulates 8.5 points.

2) Cheating. They can force players to play/draw/resign if they feel those players are trying to cheat the bracket. Things like dumping, intentionally drawing, early drawing, ect. can all be punished, when in a normal setting no one cares if you draw with your "friend" after move 12.

All im saying is that this is a one time, casual game, and your opponent should be allowed to play their game. It is trivial, sure. It makes "sense" to force the draw and not waste a month. However, they are entitled to the terms you both agreed with, which is 2 weeks per move, and a "chance to win".


MisterBoy

Between players at this rating level, I think it's entirely fair to continue playing - there is a high probability one of you will make a mistake.

VyboR
Rosenbalm wrote:

I accepted a draw here...


http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=111928296


That even hurt my rating a little bit. That's how considerate I try to be.

Why? White is absolutely lost in that position. Even a newborn could win with black in that position.

About your first post, that guy is just being plain uncouth. This is a draw, this is not bullet where you have 2 seconds left and the other a minute. Ignore these hypocrits in your thread. Maybe that they would blunder in a drawn K+Q vs K+Q endgame, but any self-respected player would agree this game is a draw. Sadly there is no such thing as online arbiters on chess.com, so you will probably have to keep dealing with this troll for months.

Sub1000
MisterBoy wrote:

Between players at this rating level, I think it's entirely fair to continue playing - there is a high probability one of you will make a mistake.

I dont know about "high probability". It's "possible", but not "probable". Definately not "highly probable".

DrFrank124c

You are the one who is wrong here! You posted a game that is in progress and you are asking readers to advise you. If I were staff I would give the win to your opponent and suspend you for breaking the rules!

MisterBoy
Sub1000 wrote:
MisterBoy wrote:

Between players at this rating level, I think it's entirely fair to continue playing - there is a high probability one of you will make a mistake.

I dont know about "high probability". It's "possible", but not "probable". Definately not "highly probable".

Maybe not blunder his queen, but trick him into letting you exchange queens or repeat the same moves 3 times or back you into a corner for stalemate... if he doesn't know basic end games you might be able to force the draw.

AussieMatey

It'll take you 3 seconds per move from now on. So if the game goes another 50 moves, you've wasted about 3 minutes of your life. Big deal!  Message him - give him an ultimatum - tell him you're a Queen endgame specialist and a world class skewerer, and if he doesn't take the draw, he might be sorry. Smile

VyboR
DrFrank124c wrote:

You are the one who is wrong here! You posted a game that is in progress and you are asking readers to advise you. If I were staff I would give the win to your opponent and suspend you for breaking the rules!

Stop acting like a white knight.

MSC157
Rosenbalm wrote:

It's clearly drawn. He wants to bore me into resignation. Please force the draw. If I were playing in a tournament I could go get the tournament director and he/she would declare a draw. I don't have that luxury here. But I still think people who do this are wrong. It's inconsiderate and rude.

That happened in a tournament I was playing. A board next to me. The guy called the arbiter in a drawn position, saying he really doesn't have time to play this out. But arbiter did not declare the draw and said they should play it out to even more drawn position. Eventually, that guy lost. Yay!

Rosenbalm
AussieRookie wrote:

It'll take you 3 seconds per move from now on. So if the game goes another 50 moves, you've wasted about 3 minutes of your life. Big deal!  Message him - give him an ultimatum - tell him you're a Queen endgame specialist and a world class skewerer, and if he doesn't take the draw, he might be sorry.

All he has to do is stay off the same color squares as his king. I can be the best skewerer in the world and that won't help me one iota. :(

Rosenbalm

He fights on!

http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=112888368

Rosenbalm
VyboR wrote:
Rosenbalm wrote:

I accepted a draw here...


http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=111928296


That even hurt my rating a little bit. That's how considerate I try to be.

Why? White is absolutely lost in that position. Even a newborn could win with black in that position.

About your first post, that guy is just being plain uncouth. This is a draw, this is not bullet where you have 2 seconds left and the other a minute. Ignore these hypocrits in your thread. Maybe that they would blunder in a drawn K+Q vs K+Q endgame, but any self-respected player would agree this game is a draw. Sadly there is no such thing as online arbiters on chess.com, so you will probably have to keep dealing with this troll for months.

Thanks for understanding. Also, you're right about that draw I accepted. The reason I did it was because he was young (according to his profile page) and he is the one who offered it, and because I had beaten him soundly once already I kinda felt sorry for him. :(

 

The reason I brought that up was to show that I am not some hypocrite who is disrespectful while demaning respect from others. I am far from perfect myself but for what it's worth I do try to be respectful even to a fault, and that's why bad chess etiquette bothers me so much.

MSC157

Capablanca Memorial - last round games: 9 moves, 11 moves, 33 moves (win). Laughing

EdiT: Congrats on a draw now, OP.

Lagomorph

After he played 62.Qf2+ just play the one move now that will draw the game very quickly