Can Anyone Become Grandmaster?

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Doggy_Style
chess_gg wrote:

What IM Bobbylow said contained a lot of wisdom.

Not really, he just stated what most OTB players know to be obvious truths.

royalbishop

Well when you been playing for a year and your Grand Mom beats you in her very first game and the 9 games after that and replies how hard can this game. Later that week she gets all reference need to start her track to be a GM. You either at this point quit playing or have to beat her to being a GM to save face!

So it is not can i become a GM i have to be a GM -  "Bobby"

billyblatt
chess_gg wrote:

...and, a lot of ignorant nonsense follows his words of wisdom.

lol stop being so hard on yourself...

royalbishop

Think about it what they did before they became a GM

Tal a lawyer, Carlsen an movie star, Anand a bank robber, Sillman Weight loss videos, Watson Racing Car driver, NN Bus Driver, Spassky an Astronaut, Rubenstien in the jewelry business, Ivanchuk a Hitman, Karpov the President, Kasparov a Salesman  and etc.  Surprised

If they can do it i can do it. Right?

billyblatt

You should write a Motivational book

CHAPTER 1. Why it is important to know your place in life, boy. 

Chapter 2. Winning is for winners (like us).

Chapter 3. Thirty signs you are a loser.

Chapter 4. Why your parents don't love you.

Chapter 5. Why you won't amount to anything in life.

Chapter 6. Why you occupy the bottom of the heirarchy and are only born to serve others.

Chapter 7. You might as shoot yourself now.

Chapter 8. Why you will die at 50.

Chapter 9. Why your kids will become drug addicts.

Chapter 10. Why your wife will run away with another man.

Chapter 11. Why....

Conflagration_Planet

There's a rat attacking a pigeon on the tube, right now.

Irontiger
billyblatt wrote:

You should write a Motivational book

(...)

Here is what I think of motivational books.

http://www.dilbert.com/2013-04-26/

VLaurenT
Kingpatzer wrote:
pdve wrote:

the real question is, can you actually tell the chess players who learned later in life??

Probably not. While chess is a semiotic puzzle, it isn't itself a language, so there are limits to the comparison. 

In my experience, they are more prone to oversights and tactical blunders, and if they become good club players, they usually rely more on logic than intuition.

PLAVIN81

To learn takes a great deal of time=But it is worth it no player should give upSmile

royalbishop

It is Quality over Quantity. I know several players here that have been playing good chess for over 2 years and still not a GM.

plutonia
Kingpatzer wrote:

Ummm, yes because I speak in a native American English accent and American English is my native language. But I would immediately stand out as not a native speaker of Brittish English. And no matter how many times I would try to change it, I'd still call a wrench a wrench and not a spanner, I'd still go on vacation not on holiday, and so forth.

So even within dialects, what I said holds true.

You can tell the native speakers from those who learned later in life. 
 

 

You're missing the point here.

I didn't claim I was able to pass off as an Englishman. I claimed that my command of the English language is pretty much equal to the average native speaker.

 

There's a difference between accent and pronunciation. To reach native speaker level of a language you only need the latter.

DrFrank124c
Irontiger wrote:
billyblatt wrote:

You should write a Motivational book

(...)

Here is what I think of motivational books.

http://www.dilbert.com/2013-04-26/

lol

Kingpatzer
plutonia wrote:
Kingpatzer wrote:

Ummm, yes because I speak in a native American English accent and American English is my native language. But I would immediately stand out as not a native speaker of Brittish English. And no matter how many times I would try to change it, I'd still call a wrench a wrench and not a spanner, I'd still go on vacation not on holiday, and so forth.

So even within dialects, what I said holds true.

You can tell the native speakers from those who learned later in life. 
 

 

You're missing the point here.

I didn't claim I was able to pass off as an Englishman. I claimed that my command of the English language is pretty much equal to the average native speaker.

 

There's a difference between accent and pronunciation. To reach native speaker level of a language you only need the latter.

The person missing the point is you. I made a very specific and direct claim: non-native speakers of a language who learn the language after they reach their mid-20s or later will almost always remain distinguishable from native speakers. It is a claim backed up by a ton of research. If you want, I can start citing it for you. 

You are arguing that an adult can achieve fluency. I have not denied that nor have I made that argument. You have agreed that you yourself are distinguishable from a native speaker of the language you learned. 

Whatever strawman you want to argue against, have at it. But you've actually repeatedly conceded my point.
 

TheGrobe

This all stems from a claim that fluency was achievable even if you started late in life, not indistinguishability.  You can be fluent and still have an accent.

DrFrank124c
plutonia wrote:
Kingpatzer wrote:

Ummm, yes because I speak in a native American English accent and American English is my native language. But I would immediately stand out as not a native speaker of Brittish English. And no matter how many times I would try to change it, I'd still call a wrench a wrench and not a spanner, I'd still go on vacation not on holiday, and so forth.

So even within dialects, what I said holds true.

You can tell the native speakers from those who learned later in life. 
 

 

You're missing the point here.

I didn't claim I was able to pass off as an Englishman. I claimed that my command of the English language is pretty much equal to the average native speaker.

 

There's a difference between accent and pronunciation. To reach native speaker level of a language you only need the latter.

they say my pronunciation of spanish is pretty good. only problem is i only know a few words in  spanish and im not sure what they mean.

Conflagration_Planet

Why was the "Can I be a GM within a year?" thread deleted?

LoekBergman
Conflagration_Planet wrote:

Why was the "Can I be a GM within a year?" thread deleted?

The first thing I would check for is if the account of the OP is still active.

Pre_VizsIa

@ paulgottlieb - that's really funny!

Conflagration_Planet
LoekBergman wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:

Why was the "Can I be a GM within a year?" thread deleted?

The first thing I would check for is if the account of the OP is still active.

I forgot his avatar name.

Doggy_Style
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
LoekBergman wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:

Why was the "Can I be a GM within a year?" thread deleted?

The first thing I would check for is if the account of the OP is still active.

I forgot his avatar name.

Something like Passionate_Fighter.

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