Can Anyone Become Grandmaster?

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LongIslandMark wrote:

But the OP was asking, I assume, can any particular person become a GM. Sure - possible, but unlikely. Sort of like asking "Can anyone become president of?" or "Can anyone become an Olympic class athlete?".

Well, the second example is an obvious 'no' as genes play a huge role in sports.

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trevinlmurray wrote:

I definetely understand that bro, long story short, wilhiem stientz was once the greatest til he met emanuel lasker then emanuel lasker met capablanca, then capablanca met alekhine, point is, theres always someone better than you as a over all player, dont get frustrated over that, but to get to the 2400+ level, no its not fucking impossible like people say it is, yes there is a huge difference in 2400 and 2700+ but to GET IN THE CIRCLE basically in the mix of all the grandmasters, no its not like you need to have a sky rocket iq, just hard work and dedication and the biggest ingredient BELIEF, and closed minded to negative people. 

Those points are very important ofc, but talent is a big factor as well.

I haven't read the entire thread so maybe I misunderstand you, but from the last 2 pages it seems that you're trying to become a GM.

I don't think that's impossible if you are talented, so by all means chase your dream. If you're beating 1900's after one year of training, you probably are talented. Don't underestimate GM's though, they all have talent, they all work hard.

 

That's my point though, you need the talent. That guy at your club who is 1100 after playing for 20 years will never be a GM even if he trains his heart out.

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Cool   Start early and don't leave it until you begin to have problems with the 'old grey matter' - aint what it used to be !

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HattrickStinkyduiker wrote:
trevinlmurray wrote:

I definetely understand that bro, long story short, wilhiem stientz was once the greatest til he met emanuel lasker then emanuel lasker met capablanca, then capablanca met alekhine, point is, theres always someone better than you as a over all player, dont get frustrated over that, but to get to the 2400+ level, no its not fucking impossible like people say it is, yes there is a huge difference in 2400 and 2700+ but to GET IN THE CIRCLE basically in the mix of all the grandmasters, no its not like you need to have a sky rocket iq, just hard work and dedication and the biggest ingredient BELIEF, and closed minded to negative people. 

Those points are very important ofc, but talent is a big factor as well.

I haven't read the entire thread so maybe I misunderstand you, but from the last 2 pages it seems that you're trying to become a GM.

I don't think that's impossible if you are talented, so by all means chase your dream. If you're beating 1900's after one year of training, you probably are talented. Don't underestimate GM's though, they all have talent, they all work hard.

 

That's my point though, you need the talent. That guy at your club who is 1100 after playing for 20 years will never be a GM even if he trains his heart out.

I appreciate the love and man to be honest, my grandfather showed me how to play when i was little but i could never beat him at all and i just let it go, i feel stupid now cause i coulda been a grandmaster right now but oh well thats life, but a year ago i decided i wanted to put rap on the back burner and be a chess player i went to this chess club in greenville and amazingly i almost beat this guy at pitt community he said his uscf was 1600+ and at that point i had little to no training routine like i do now and i was happy about it then i went to another and played a 1800+ and was devasted and it drove me insane that i couldnt beat him so i trained 5-10 hours a day, 6 months later, we came to a draw and he looked at me shocked and walked off to cool down and i was happy about that, played him again, then we came to a draw again, then a week later i beat him. so basically, i just made up my mind and said this is what im a do... nobody said it would be easy... (sorry for the long life story lol)

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And understand one more thing:

the more time you spend for defending your arguments in this thread, the less study time you have for becoming a GM. So choose wisely. Wink

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Any person under the age of 3 who isn't severely mentally challenged can become a GM.

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trevinlmurray wrote:
PatzerLars wrote:

And understand one more thing:

the more time you spend for defending your arguments in this thread, the less study time you have for becoming a GM. So choose wisely.

Thanks for your advice but i'm doing just fine lol i'm studying up on some openings right now on my fritz program lol. 

It looks like if you have too much opening books, but maybe you have more chess books in your room. Otherwise, your collection looks a bit unbalanced.

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socialista wrote:
trevinlmurray wrote:
PatzerLars wrote:

And understand one more thing:

the more time you spend for defending your arguments in this thread, the less study time you have for becoming a GM. So choose wisely.

Thanks for your advice but i'm doing just fine lol i'm studying up on some openings right now on my fritz program lol. 

It looks like if you have too much opening books, but maybe you have more chess books in your room. Otherwise, your collection looks a bit unbalanced.

i dont use my opening books as much, i had those for awhile, i'm actually using my Dvoretskys endgame manual and simans book of chess stragety and john nunns book and yes those are not the only ones lol. 

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Don't forget to analyze your own games. You can only learn so much out of books.

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PatzerLars wrote:

Don't forget to analyze your own games. You can only learn so much out of books.

Ok gotcha! 

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The Role of Deliberate Practice in the Acquisition of Expert Performance: http://projects.ict.usc.edu/itw/gel/EricssonDeliberatePracticePR93.pdf

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>> Can Anyone Become Grandmaster? <<

I can't, so the answer must be No. Tongue Out

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Yes, anyone can become a grandmaster with enough training.

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TomHaegin wrote:

>> Can Anyone Become Grandmaster? <<

I can't, so the answer must be No. 

LolLolLolLol

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trevinlmurray wrote:

I appreciate the love and man to be honest, my grandfather showed me how to play when i was little but i could never beat him at all and i just let it go, i feel stupid now cause i coulda been a grandmaster right now but oh well thats life, but a year ago i decided i wanted to put rap on the back burner and be a chess player i went to this chess club in greenville and amazingly i almost beat this guy at pitt community he said his uscf was 1600+ and at that point i had little to no training routine like i do now and i was happy about it then i went to another and played a 1800+ and was devasted and it drove me insane that i couldnt beat him so i trained 5-10 hours a day, 6 months later, we came to a draw and he looked at me shocked and walked off to cool down and i was happy about that, played him again, then we came to a draw again, then a week later i beat him. so basically, i just made up my mind and said this is what im a do... nobody said it would be easy... (sorry for the long life story lol)

No problem, great story. I'd welcome you to the chess rap group to school fools like me, but you really don't need a distraction like that.

If you want to become a GM you need years of dedicated training, things will get harder the closer you get to the higher ratings. Beating a FM is way easier than becoming a FM. From my experience, I used to look at a 2000 as very strong player, like a serious fight for anyone out there. They are not, GM's won't even accept a draw in a way worse position against those guys. GM's are incredibly good, even if they blunder some games.

 

I'm not trying to demotivate you in any way, but don't underestimate the talent it takes to get that title either. the early steps are the easiest ones.

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HattrickStinkyduiker wrote: (...) From my experience, I used to look at a 2000 as very strong player, like a serious fight for anyone out there. They are not, GM's won't even accept a draw in a way worse position against those guys. GM's are incredibly good, even if they blunder some games. (...)

If the position is sufficiently "way worse", the GM will not even be offered a draw.

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Irontiger wrote:
HattrickStinkyduiker wrote: (...) From my experience, I used to look at a 2000 as very strong player, like a serious fight for anyone out there. They are not, GM's won't even accept a draw in a way worse position against those guys. GM's are incredibly good, even if they blunder some games. (...)

If the position is sufficiently "way worse", the GM will not even be offered a draw.

Well yeah you're right about that, it depends on the defenition of 'way worse' I guess. I'm sure 2000's won't offer a draw if they are like a full piece up for nothing. I'm pretty sure most GM's will refuse a draw if they messed up the opening and are passive with a bad pawn structure, which is the sorta thing I was implying when saying 'way worse'

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chess_gg wrote:

When I was young, I used to read a great many motivational books and listen to motivational tapes as I drove in my car and whenever possible, go to motivational seminars.

 

This sort of thing was uplifting and kept me focused on my potentials. Now, it was never my goal to be a GM. I had other goals. This included supporting a family of five and chess, as much as I loved the game, just didn't seem like the best place to get a return on my sweat equity.

 

But, these motivational tools helped me greatly toward achieving the goals that I did pursue.

 

One of my all-time favorite books was Napolean Hill's "Think and Grow Rich". It's a classic. Everyone who has any kind of success in mind ought to "give it a read". Perhaps it might be slightly "dated", yet the basic concepts are, in my opinion, timeless.

 

Here (from Wikipedia) are some of the points covered in the book:

 

It is noted in the book that an individual with desire, faith and persistence can reach great heights by eliminating negative energy and thoughts and focusing on the greater goals in hand.

 

The 13 "steps" listed in the book are: 1. Desire 2. Faith 3. Autosuggestion 4. Specialized Knowledge 5. Imagination 6. Organized Planning 7. Decision 8. Persistence 9. Power of the Master Mind 10. The Mystery of Sex Transmutation 11. The Subconscious Mind 12. The Brain 13. The Sixth Sense

OMG I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE ALIVE RIGHT NOW THAT KNEW ABOUT NAPOLEON HILL!!!! I LISTENED TO ALL OF HIS SPEECHES... "ANYTHING THE MIND CAN CONCIEVE, YOU CAN ACHIEVE" - NAPOLEON HILL  LOL

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chess_gg wrote:

When I was young, I used to read a great many motivational books and listen to motivational tapes as I drove in my car and whenever possible, go to motivational seminars.

 

This sort of thing was uplifting and kept me focused on my potentials. Now, it was never my goal to be a GM. I had other goals. This included supporting a family of five and chess, as much as I loved the game, just didn't seem like the best place to get a return on my sweat equity.

 

But, these motivational tools helped me greatly toward achieving the goals that I did pursue.

 

One of my all-time favorite books was Napolean Hill's "Think and Grow Rich". It's a classic. Everyone who has any kind of success in mind ought to "give it a read". Perhaps it might be slightly "dated", yet the basic concepts are, in my opinion, timeless.

 

Here (from Wikipedia) are some of the points covered in the book:

 

It is noted in the book that an individual with desire, faith and persistence can reach great heights by eliminating negative energy and thoughts and focusing on the greater goals in hand.

 

The 13 "steps" listed in the book are: 1. Desire 2. Faith 3. Autosuggestion 4. Specialized Knowledge 5. Imagination 6. Organized Planning 7. Decision 8. Persistence 9. Power of the Master Mind 10. The Mystery of Sex Transmutation 11. The Subconscious Mind 12. The Brain 13. The Sixth Sense

I have seen that many sellers like that kind of books, but it could be just a coincidence.

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