Can astrology really help your chess?

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rooperi

Well, astrology really helped my chess. I think it might be because it is right next to the chess column in the Daily Mail.

electricpawn
rooperi wrote:

Well, astrology really helped my chess. I think it might be because it is right next to the chess column in the Daily Mail.


 lol!

iFeather
LordJones3rd wrote:

As a scientific test


Are you sure scientific is the right word?

LordJones3rd

It must be rubbish my horoscope says today "Venus rising - sacrifice your queen"

LordJones3rd
dsarkar wrote:

Let me tell you certain things extremely important regarding Astrology:

(1) you are Pisces because you are born between this month-to-that month is crap! This childish nomenclature is correct only in less than 5-10% cases. Real astrology works in much more complicated way - thus all (true) signs of Zodiac can be born in any ONE particular month, twins born at difference of minutes may have totally different signs and nature - there is pretty complicated calculations based on actual astronomical positions of the planets, which change every 12 minutes! First get your sign correct by a genuine astrologer who does the actual calculations - then you can check "newspaper" horoscopes for free. If your sign is wrong (more than 90% cases if you take only birth-month), you will find almost every prediction wrong.

(2) There are 9 fraudulent astrologers to every 1 genuine astrologer - believe me, I have expreienced that. And it is extremely difficult to find a genuine astrologer. Tip: genuine astrologers do not have craving for money.

(3) True astrology is not a precision science (there are large zones of uncertainty even from predictions of genuine astrologers, e.g.: one might say you will have monetary gain during this period - it may be a raise, a change in job for the better, or even inheritence or lottery) only a handful of people know in the world!

(4) Too much dependance on astrology weakens the mind - I have seen several cases. Better be a non-believer than a morbid depender on astrology. If you use it to help (like a tiny flashlight in the darkness of future), then it might be beneficial.

Finally, to do unbiased justice to astrology, I must say some predictions (from a friend who is a genuine astrologer and not a thief) came uncannily true: I lost job when he said there was high chance of "no-work" even after doing my work extra-carefully during that period. I sprained my ankle and was home-bound for 3 weeks when he said there was high chance of "illness" (all my high dosage of vitamins were of no avail). And no, it was not a psychological trick on a weak mind - I consider myself a strong-minded person.


 Which asylum are you incarcerated in?

Tnk64ChessCourse

How can chess players have a reputation of being smart when we believe in astrology. It's embarrassing. Seriously, what's next? Creationism?! If we stoop any lower then I'm leaving chess.com

bigpoison
padman wrote:

Astrology has been around for 1000's of years and many people swear by it including celebrities who enrich our lives and give it meaning. We all choose our own reality and you just need to ask the Universe for whatever you want and it will find a way to manifest it for you.

Quantum Mechanics. Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle. Only now are we scratching the surface of the mechanisms which have been powering the arcane capacities of the mystics.

Look, just sign up for one of one of my weekend courses. Sure, you'll have to work 50 weekends just to pay for it but when you learn the Secrets of Unlimited Universal Energy and Infinite Wealth Secrets (what the rich don't want you to know about!) combined with Unlimited Universal Wealth Mastery and Mastering Quantum Consciousness for Unlimited Quantum Wealth Consciousness (what the scientific elite don't want you to know about!) you'll reach a whole new level of Universal Consciousness and Beingness.

Everybody leaves with a tote bag. No, you will not have the capacity to manifest a refund.


The check's in the mail.  Do you discuss that German fella's cat?  I'll work 52 weekends if only I can find out whether or not that cat is alive!

Phssthpok
bigpoison wrote:

Do you discuss that German fella's cat?  I'll work 52 weekends if only I can find out whether or not that cat is alive!


As anyone who owns a cat (or reads Terry Pratchett) can tell you, the cat has three possible states: alive, dead or bloody furious!

TheBlackCobra

As long as you believe you are strong. Does not matter what you believe in. Beside from that it's a total crap what you wrote :)

ichabod801
dsarkar wrote:

(3) True astrology is not a precision science (there are large zones of uncertainty even from predictions of genuine astrologers, e.g.: one might say you will have monetary gain during this period - it may be a raise, a change in job for the better, or even inheritence or lottery) only a handful of people know in the world!


 Truly, this is how astrology works. I took a psychology class in high school. The professor had us take a personality test: 100 multiple choice questions graded by a computer. When we got the results back, he had us grade them, to see if we thought they were accurate assesments of our personalities. There was pretty much universal agreement that the test had done a good job. Then he had us change results with the person next to us. All the results were exactly the same.

The point is that if you make your personality judgements vague enough, they will be true more often than not. And if you make your predictions vague enough, they will come true more often than not.

Inverted
thechessvids wrote:

How can chess players have a reputation of being smart when we believe in astrology. It's embarrassing. Seriously, what's next? Creationism?! If we stoop any lower then I'm leaving chess.com


Anyone who can believe we evolved from monkeys has already stooped as embarrassingly low as they can get.

Tnk64ChessCourse
Inverted wrote:
thechessvids wrote:

How can chess players have a reputation of being smart when we believe in astrology. It's embarrassing. Seriously, what's next? Creationism?! If we stoop any lower then I'm leaving chess.com


Anyone who can believe we evolved from monkeys has already stooped as embarrassingly low as they can get.


And you're a cute little boy too! Seriously mate, ERV's, transitional fossils, human chromosome number 2, we share over 98% of our DNA with Chimps. I mean, how much proof do you need.

tomjoad
Inverted wrote:

Anyone who can believe we evolved from monkeys has already stooped as embarrassingly low as they can get.


LOL. You mean this as a joke, right?

Writch
ichabod801 wrote: The point is that if you make your personality judgements vague enough, they will be true more often than not. And if you make your predictions vague enough, they will come true more often than not.

Corollary: And if you make your criticisms vague enough, they will sound true more often than not.

I'm just sayin' - sharp wit is a double edged sword.

This was not directed at Ichabod, but all those that tend to criticize others' belief-systems.

How many of those critical folks are (or were) in a committed relationship? Wasn't that based on Love? Love is a faith-based belief, there is no 'Truth' to it or 'Facts' about it - Love is a convenient fiction (read: 'abstraction'), a one-word label we slap on complex neurological processes stirring within a biochemical soup based on instincts arrived at by evolution.

Yes, even love of a child. Yes, even self-confidence (love of self). These are faith-based: yet, you feel them to be True, or Factual.

Humor is the same way - some people get the OP's humor (like myself) and some miss it entirely. I.e. some believe it to be Funny, others do not. There is no empirical Funny.

Love, Humor, Destiny, even Self-Determinism - all rooted in neurobiology and the Mind (yes, even Mind is a convenient fictional construct).

Belief-systems are just your instincts trying to implement their evolutionary codes within best-fit parameters of your current temporal context (body & culture); beliefs often change with time - you can change your mind.

So. Placebos have been proven to have some degree of efficacy -  why not Astrology?

Beast719
Writch wrote: There is no empirical Funny.

 You've obviously never seen the Borat movie.

TheGrobe
ichabod801 wrote:
dsarkar wrote:

(3) True astrology is not a precision science (there are large zones of uncertainty even from predictions of genuine astrologers, e.g.: one might say you will have monetary gain during this period - it may be a raise, a change in job for the better, or even inheritence or lottery) only a handful of people know in the world!


 Truly, this is how astrology works. I took a psychology class in high school. The professor had us take a personality test: 100 multiple choice questions graded by a computer. When we got the results back, he had us grade them, to see if we thought they were accurate assesments of our personalities. There was pretty much universal agreement that the test had done a good job. Then he had us change results with the person next to us. All the results were exactly the same.

The point is that if you make your personality judgements vague enough, they will be true more often than not. And if you make your predictions vague enough, they will come true more often than not.


Add to this the inherent propensity that we all have for pattern recognition which causes us to bias our perception of results like this by emphasising matches while de-emphasising misses and you've got a business model that's just begging for a 1-900 number.

ichabod801
Beast719 wrote:
Writch wrote: There is no empirical Funny.

 You've obviously never seen the Borat movie.


 Thank you for proving his point.

17000mph

OP: Can astrology really help your chess?

Ans: No.

Writch
ichabod801 wrote:
Beast719 wrote:
Writch wrote: There is no empirical Funny.

 You've obviously never seen the Borat movie.


 Thank you for proving his point.


@Beast: Right, I haven't (but I have a Buddy Borat for my car's dash).

@Ichabod: Right, a classic Beastism.

So - two rights make a wrong?

Inverted
thechessvids wrote:
Inverted wrote:
thechessvids wrote:

How can chess players have a reputation of being smart when we believe in astrology. It's embarrassing. Seriously, what's next? Creationism?! If we stoop any lower then I'm leaving chess.com


Anyone who can believe we evolved from monkeys has already stooped as embarrassingly low as they can get.


And you're a cute little boy too! Seriously mate, ERV's, transitional fossils, human chromosome number 2, we share over 98% of our DNA with Chimps. I mean, how much proof do you need.


Well more than the non-existent 'proof' you've posted here.

We share over half our DNA with cabbages, that doesn't make us half cabbage does it ??

Ok  lets take this idea of similarities to determine which animal is most like us.. Considering the number of human chromosomes is (46).. two of our closest ancestors would be the tobacco plant (48) and the bat (44). Furthermore, because the chromosomes in living matter are one of the most complex bits of matter in the known universe, it would seem logical to assume that organisms with the least number of chromosomes are the end result of millions of years of evolution experimenting to increase complexity in living organisms. Therefore, this would reveal that we started from penicillium with only 2 chromosomes, and slowly evolved into fruit flies (8), and after many more millions of years we became tomatoes (12), and so on, until we reached the human stage of 46 chromosomes. Millions of years from now, if we're fortunate, we may become the ultimate life form, a fern, with a total of 480 chromosomes...

O and Ive seen plenty of apes, I know many humans, but where are all the ape-men at ?!?!?!
When you meet your non-existent 'missing-link', let me know......