Can intelligent person suck at chess, forever?

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Murgen

Intelligence isn't necessarily always "on".

If an "intelligent person" was applying their intelligence to something that didn't have a horrible learning curve I would expect them to improve.

If they were just playing for fun and didn't actively apply their intelligence to improving they would probably improve very slowly, if at all (I'm assuming that they don't have a particular aptitude for Chess... one presumably can't suck "forever" without having sucked initially). Wink

Harvey_Wallbanger

   Chess is an acquired skill. Just like it is for playing the piano. Requires a lot of motivation and hard work. Some do better (natural ability) than others.

motherinlaw

I always like hearing from chess players who, like me, are just enjoying the game for the fun of it.  Having spent 20+ of my early years studying and memorizing stuff in school (got a Ph.D. so must be pretty smart), and the past 10+ years straining my brain on basic computerese, I'm happy to pass on the invitation to work hard studying a "pastime."  

Plus, for me, there's a downside to having memorized what all the really good players already know.  If I did know that stuff, I'd lose some of my favorite experiences in the game -- the times when I, all by myself(!), discover a little trick or tactical principle that I know I can use in future games.  The "Aha!" moment.  

Sure, you're thinking, she's just "reinventing the wheel."  But now, just picture that guy who actually Did invent the first wheel -- did he feel Great or what?!  Of course, it could have been his wife who really invented it, but she let him take the credit because it made him happy, and she didn't care about the bragging rights, because she knew she'd done it all by herself and that's what really matters.... see? 

I rest my case.  Wink 

Harvey_Wallbanger

   A perfect example of someone who is intelligent but sucks at chess... As always, there is a good excuse. Smile

   Caveat...we all suck at chess to one degree or another. Too, a few of us rely more on calculating than memorizing. Not everyone plays chess from memorizing long lines.

iluvzmituna

Never sucked at chess ... ahem.

Harvey_Wallbanger

   Yeah, you do. Tell the truth. Undecided

iluvzmituna

nope .... AAAAACHOOO!!!!!

Harvey_Wallbanger

   I don't really know where "the line in the sand is"...but my view is anything under <2500 elo, otb. That's a fair assessment, don't you think?

   But of course. Your answer: nope.

motherinlaw
Harvey_Wallbanger wrote:

   A perfect example of someone who is intelligent but sucks at chess... As always, there is a good excuse. 

   Caveat...we all suck at chess to one degree or another. Too, a few of us rely more on calculating than memorizing. Not everyone plays chess from memorizing long lines.

Ah, thanks for reminding me of an element I'd left out, and one that further supports my case -- "calculating."   It may not surprise you to hear that, even though I scored high on the math portion of the S.A.T.'s at age 15, nowadays I don't experience joy when I engage in "calculating."  (ok, maybe a little joy .. but not much ... almost none, really...) 

Harvey_Wallbanger

   Sure...sure...whatever you say. Smile

kayak21

Can intelligent person suck at chess, forever?

Yes.......I'm proof of that. Innocent

iluvzmituna

<2500 elo. Harvey!!! you calling me a suckuh ? put 'em up! put 'em up!

tax up to date on that car of yours ?

Harvey_Wallbanger
FL0WD0WN wrote: "When i hear people use the word "calculation" in chess. i kind of think of it as a colloquialism. one might just as well apply the word to the writting of music. i believe chess is heuristic."

   This explains why you really, really suck at chess.

Harvey_Wallbanger
iluvzmetuna wrote:

<2500 elo. Harvey!!! you calling me a suckuh ? put 'em up! put 'em up!

tax up to date on that car of yours ?

   "Suck" is a relative term. You are rather good compared to most chess players. But I wouldn't be so bold as to say you don't suck. Kiss

GhostNight

Just for the record, chess is a very interesting game, and has enticed so many! Even if you can make money off it, it is only a game, no one really admires you other then other chess players, and when you apply for a job, or entrance to a prestigious collage, and all you have is a master chess rating, hmmmmm?  lololo SorryCry  GETIT??

Chicken_Monster

Can intelligent person suck at chess, forever?

No, not forever. You will eventually die. Hopefully you will learn to write before you die.

Chicken_Monster

take your hat off

Harvey_Wallbanger

   What I don't understand is that some people really, really suck at chess and they rationalize (that doesn't mean being rational) or they are into denial or they brag about it. This is all very confusing.

Chicken_Monster
FL0WD0WN wrote:
Chicken_Monster wrote:

take your hat off

thats right! i actually have hair under my hat. take off your avatar

You're not my type.

Thomas9400
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