Can some knowledgeable players help me with some chess nuance please

Please only serious answers thx.

So I've played one man OTB and we had a bit of an argument regards our game.

Time control was 3|0 no increment.

I've played white he played black

Position:

White Kind d3

White pawn a4

Black King d7

Black Bishop f4

I had about 15 seconds on the clock and he had around 20seconds.

It's my move, so I told him it's a draw (ready to handshake), he said NO!

I said what you mean know it's a draw anyway you will capture my pawn with your bishop and that's it , forced draw you can't win. He replied no its not a draw , what if you promote a KNIGHT then it's a sort of fool's mate for you ( he probably mean if I promote a knight and block my own king with it he can deliver checkmate with one bishop). I replied and what if I promote Queen? He then silenced, I thought exactly! After that he left but was sod of angry like he won or something that I didn't want it to continue the game.

So my question is what happens if in this given position I loose on time?

Ttheoretically if I loose with unpromoted pawn that can be any piece, so I'd it's a knight and again theoretically which is almost impossible but still counts he can mate me with one knight and I loose on time it means he won, BUT if it's a queen and I loose on time it's a draw.

So if I loose on time and pawn is not promoted yet, who decides which piece it becomes, because my game depends on it or maybe it's an automatic queen some kind of rule like that?

If you have understood my question please help me out here.

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Sac the pawn and then claim the draw.

I think I have yet to draw a game since I have been a member. Do you have to hit the draw button, or will the 3 time repetition cause it to draw automatically?

To the OP

Under FIDE rules if checkmate would have been possible by "any series of legal moves" after a timeout, then your opponent would win. Underpromoting and blocking your own king on a dark corner square would satisfy the FIDE requirements.

Under USCF rules helpmates are not considered and he would only be able to claim a win if he could show a forced win, which with a lone bishop he would not have been able to.

Indeed, according to FIDE rules, when your time runs out, you lose in all cases, except when your opponent cannot mate you after any series of legal moves from both sides. This leads to funny cases, when a person with K+P vs K+B loses the game, while a person with K vs K+B does not. A bit silly, if you ask me, but that's how the rules go.

Same rules apply on most chess websites (including chess.com; with some minor differences sometimes), that's why you often see in bullet people being a queen up and collecting their opponents' pawns, instead of trying to mate him quickly, to avoid losing the game if the time runs out.

Thanks

Hah! I have been there! Nothing worse than being up a Queen and losing to time!

Lagomorph wrote:

To the OP

Under FIDE rules if checkmate would have been possible by "any series of legal moves" after a timeout, then your opponent would win. Underpromoting and blocking your own king on a dark corner square would satisfy the FIDE requirements.

Under USCF rules helpmates are not considered and he would only be able to claim a win if he could show a forced win, which with a lone bishop he would not have been able to.

Sure if my pawn already promoted to a knight then yes checkmate is possible even tho it's a helpsmate under FIDE rules , BUT if I promote to a queen then checkmate it's not possible again under FIDE rules it's a draw.

BUT BUT what if I loose on time and my pawn is not promoted yet!!!??? So it could be a bishop a knight a queen whatever, which leads to different results, so what happens if I loose on time then? I would say if I didn't loose on time I would definitely promote to a queen and that would of been a draw anyways, but my opponent could say no you would promote to a knight and loose , SO how to decide result in my case if pawn is not promoted YET and I loose on time? ?

FIDE rules only require that had play continued, you COULD have been mated by ANY series of legal moves. FIDE do not look at whether such moves are likely, or would only be played by a madman, they only look to see that they are possible. It is possible that you would underpromote and box your king in, therefore under FIDE rules you lose. If you dont like it then complain to FIDE. I am only the messenger.

Play faster, seriously.

DrChesspain wrote:

Play faster, seriously.

3|0mins OTB is not fast enough for you?

Stop the clock and call the tournament director/arbiter to decide BEFORE the clock runs out.  I can't speak for FIDE, but as a USCF Tournament Director, I've awarded draws in such a position.

The ultimate pain is having two queens vs a king and a pawn, being 1 move away from checkmating the king and losing on time... Happened a couple of times. It stings.

Lagomorph wrote:

ESP-918 wrote:

Sure if my pawn already promoted to a knight then yes checkmate is possible even tho it's a helpsmate under FIDE rules , BUT if I promote to a queen then checkmate it's not possible again under FIDE rules it's a draw.

BUT BUT what if I loose on time and my pawn is not promoted yet!!!??? So it could be a bishop a knight a queen whatever, which leads to different results, so what happens if I loose on time then? I would say if I didn't loose on time I would definitely promote to a queen and that would of been a draw anyways, but my opponent could say no you would promote to a knight and loose , SO how to decide result in my case if pawn is not promoted YET and I loose on time? ?

FIDE rules only require that had play continued, you COULD have been mated by ANY series of legal moves. FIDE do not look at whether such moves are likely, or would only be played by a madman, they only look to see that they are possible. It is possible that you would underpromote and box your king in, therefore under FIDE rules you lose. If you dont like it then complain to FIDE. I am only the messenger.

SO if I run out of time with an unpromoted pawn under FIDE rules that's a loss, due to helpmate is possible right?

It's a draw because the rules clearly refer to a "normal series of moves" or whatever. An arbiter who refuses to allow a draw probably needs to be beaten up or something, because he's going against the spirit of the rule.

So under FIDE rules if I don't promote my pawn helpmate is possible right?

There for its a win for him if I loose on time, right?