A plague of abandonments?

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orjanbre

Hi. Almost every person i play just abandon the game if they are loosing instead of resigning. Almost all of them do this every time they are loosing. Why are you not banning these people from your site chess.com ? Its totally unreasonable that people who break fair play are allowed to do it over and over again . Just look at my past games youll see how many people are doing this every time they are loosing. Are you not going to do anything with these accounts ? Just let them ruin the experience for people playing fair ? can someone answer me this plz cause if nothings being done then i see no point in staving on Just to play bad sports. im sure youd get a lot more paying members if you could Just weed out the people abandoning lost games. My guess is many dont want to commit to paying membership till you show you do something to fix the problem . What say you ? 😃Have a great weekend all 😃

ProfessorDoggin1
Yeah, it is kind of annoying, but you can just wait a minute and they’re gone.
justbefair

It does look like you had 25 abandonment wins in the last month out of 898 games. That is a lot.

But you play an awful lot of games. 25 out of 898 games is annoying but doesn't seem to me to be an epidemic.

Chess.com does have a sportsmanship program in place. I hope you reported each and every one of them. When someone accumulates enough reports, they get penalized by having delays between games and they get put into a special pool with other players who do the same thing.

Here is another recent thread: https://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/chess-com-needs-to-address-abandonment-issues

Some of them are partly your fault.

 
How often does that work?
orjanbre

@justbefair LOL youd be surprised how often that works. What do you mean my fault???? Its my fault opponent abandon game because he played to quick and lost the Queen? C mon thats just stupid

codecalmchess

It takes time for chess.com to ban players, they first have to register the result, then check if they are repeat offenders.

You can't just ban a player because they abandoned 1 game in a month, they have to see if it happens over and over.

justbefair
orjanbre wrote:

@justbefair LOL youd be surprised how often that works. What do you mean my fault???? Its my fault opponent abandon game because he played to quick and lost the Queen? C mon thats just stupid

I think anybody who falls for that would feel so stupid that he might quit.

FelixN2022

The staff also blamed me for a different issue. The staff are trying not to get exposed because if they do get exposed they might lose a ton of profits because people are not going to come to chess.com and on top of that they might lose more money in a lawsuit. Why does the chess.com blame others when you know it is your responsibility. This is my case: I disconnect every day and chess.com blamed me for the the problem.

justbefair
FelixN2022 wrote:

The staff also blamed me for a different issue. The staff are trying not to get exposed because if they do get exposed they might lose a ton of profits because people are not going to come to chess.com and on top of that they might lose more money in a lawsuit. Why does the chess.com blame others when you know it is your responsibility. This is my case: I disconnect every day and chess.com blamed me for the the problem.

Your flag says that you live on a tiny island in the middle of nowhere. I think it is amazing that you have any connectivity at all.

CRHer700

On days that I have poor internet connection, sometimes the board just freezes and I am unable to move. Eventually it says that I lost by abandoning. I just quit for a little while if it happens once.

Mrbonehead
orjanbre wrote:

Hi. Almost every person i play just abandon the game if they are loosing instead of resigning. Almost all of them do this every time they are loosing. Why are you not banning these people from your site chess.com ? Its totally unreasonable that people who break fair play are allowed to do it over and over again . Just look at my past games youll see how many people are doing this every time they are loosing. Are you not going to do anything with these accounts ? Just let them ruin the experience for people playing fair ? can someone answer me this plz cause if nothings being done then i see no point in staving on Just to play bad sports. im sure youd get a lot more paying members if you could Just weed out the people abandoning lost games. My guess is many dont want to commit to paying membership till you show you do something to fix the problem . What say you ? 😃Have a great weekend all 😃

Stop whining and just leave.

NohJay

I don't mind. It's their fault they didn't want to keep playing, and if it was a disconnect then it was circumstances outside of their control. I have unfortunately abandoned a lot of games because my internet stopped working in the middle of a game. But when you get an abandonment or a disconnect, it's free rating points so take them while they last.

ChessMasteryOfficial

Staying focused on your game and growth can help make it a bit more bearable.

insane
orjanbre wrote:

@justbefair LOL youd be surprised how often that works. What do you mean my fault???? Its my fault opponent abandon game because he played to quick and lost the Queen? C mon thats just stupid

https://www.chess.com/game/live/124591143369 Lmao I just tried it and it actually worked

BlackholeExpert2021

I don't know, I think those abandonment are sometimes due to bad internet or somthing. I think that would make it very hard to discern who lost connection and who is being a jerk. Maybe Chess.com could have a limit of abandonments per person per month or something like that? So it's not an instant account ban.

FelixN2022

Even as a paying member the disconnection problem is still bad

codecalmchess
BlackholeExpert2021 wrote:

I don't know, I think those abandonment are sometimes due to bad internet or somthing. I think that would make it very hard to discern who lost connection and who is being a jerk. Maybe Chess.com could have a limit of abandonments per person per month or something like that? So it's not an instant account ban.

Sometimes, its's hard to see if its intentional, but often it's not.

I am working on a script that measures time consumption and other stats on chess.com. And for certain players I can say with 99% certainty that it's intentional.

For instance, there was a player that had +5 min difference between total clock time on last move and total game duration, in at least 1/3 of their games. This means that there was +5 min between last move made and game ending. And this is almost exclusively in games that the specific profile lost.

The same profile had around 60 games ending in timeout, but only 2 of those game ending in them wining. This is not coincidence, or an one-time occurrence, its intentional.

Good news is that the profile is now banned, so chess.com is actually doing their job despite what people here are saying.

orjanbre

@jli30c LOL there you go happy.png I immagine its very effective in bullet and 30 secs happy.png Congratz

BlackholeExpert2021
codecalmchess wrote:
BlackholeExpert2021 wrote:

I don't know, I think those abandonment are sometimes due to bad internet or somthing. I think that would make it very hard to discern who lost connection and who is being a jerk. Maybe Chess.com could have a limit of abandonments per person per month or something like that? So it's not an instant account ban.

Sometimes, its's hard to see if its intentional, but often it's not.

I am working on a script that measures time consumption and other stats on chess.com. And for certain players I can say with 99% certainty that it's intentional.

For instance, there was a player that had +5 min difference between total clock time on last move and total game duration, in at least 1/3 of their games. This means that there was +5 min between last move made and game ending. And this is almost exclusively in games that the specific profile lost.

The same profile had around 60 games ending in timeout, but only 2 of those game ending in them wining. This is not coincidence, or an one-time occurrence, its intentional.

Good news is that the profile is now banned, so chess.com is actually doing their job despite what people here are saying.

Lol evidently you know a lot more than me about this. It's interesting to hear the facts, thanks for sharing! happy.png

BlackholeExpert2021
jli30c wrote:
orjanbre wrote:

@justbefair LOL youd be surprised how often that works. What do you mean my fault???? Its my fault opponent abandon game because he played to quick and lost the Queen? C mon thats just stupid

https://www.chess.com/game/live/124591143369 Lmao I just tried it and it actually worked

Yea that queen trap works way too often in bullet lol. My concept is playing anything no matter what in bullet so a bishop is nothing lol

TheSonics
orjanbre wrote:

Hi. Almost every person i play just abandon the game if they are loosing instead of resigning. Almost all of them do this every time they are loosing. Why are you not banning these people from your site chess.com ? Its totally unreasonable that people who break fair play are allowed to do it over and over again . Just look at my past games youll see how many people are doing this every time they are loosing. Are you not going to do anything with these accounts ? Just let them ruin the experience for people playing fair ? can someone answer me this plz cause if nothings being done then i see no point in staving on Just to play bad sports. im sure youd get a lot more paying members if you could Just weed out the people abandoning lost games. My guess is many dont want to commit to paying membership till you show you do something to fix the problem . What say you ? 😃Have a great weekend all 😃

Stallers are the best.

When they stall or abandon instead of resigning, it's your chance to have actual fun in chess (rare). Because you can work on your calculation... Even if everything wins, calculate all the winning lines, all the way until mate, try to see 6-7+ moves in to the future positions in every line... if it's mate in a few moves-- calculate every single king move... and if it's easy try to really visualize it in your head, try to imagine the entire sequence with eyes closed and triple check the king has no squares... you can use this time to your benefit

not to mention sometimes people quit in just -2, -3 positions, where you can calculate a TON of stuff, think of plans for both sides with no stress at all..

to be angry at quitters is just you wanting to "do another game fast", so you will play that game probably not so great, as you could if you calm down etc...