Can William James Sidis the World's Smartest Man Beat AlphaZero if He Were Alive???

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BlackLawliet

I believe there is a 0 percent chance of that happening if sidis were alive. Even if he did study, Alphazero is a deep-learning AI. I don't think it is even possible for anyone to comprehend how deeply he can calculate. Also many psychologists say that no matter how intelligent someone is, it would be nearly impossible for the human brain to calculate past 25 moves.

BlackLawliet
shadowarcher28 wrote:

sidis iq was only estimated unfortunately...

And as the new generations of humans figure out new technologies, most people are now smarter than James Sidis.  The people back then didn't have many things we have now, which makes them less smart. We have knowledge of quantum physics, coding, space exploration, which they didn't have back then. 

That is a blatant false hood. He got into Harvard at 11. Just because we have more knowledge doesn't mean we are smarter.

shadowarcher28
BlackLawliet wrote:
shadowarcher28 wrote:

sidis iq was only estimated unfortunately...

And as the new generations of humans figure out new technologies, most people are now smarter than James Sidis.  The people back then didn't have many things we have now, which makes them less smart. We have knowledge of quantum physics, coding, space exploration, which they didn't have back then. 

That is a blatant false hood. He got into Harvard at 11. Just because we have more knowledge doesn't mean we are smarter.

Well maybe some parts of my argument were a bit overblown... 

But there is a thing called the Flynn effect. Is the Flynn effect on g?: A meta-analysis - ScienceDirect 

Flynn Effect - Google Scholar 

BlackLawliet
shadowarcher28 wrote:
BlackLawliet wrote:
shadowarcher28 wrote:

sidis iq was only estimated unfortunately...

And as the new generations of humans figure out new technologies, most people are now smarter than James Sidis.  The people back then didn't have many things we have now, which makes them less smart. We have knowledge of quantum physics, coding, space exploration, which they didn't have back then. 

That is a blatant false hood. He got into Harvard at 11. Just because we have more knowledge doesn't mean we are smarter.

Well maybe some parts of my argument were a bit overblown... 

But there is a thing called the Flynn effect. Is the Flynn effect on g?: A meta-analysis - ScienceDirect 

Flynn Effect - Google Scholar 

I have heard of that before, and it is definitely interesting, but you have to take into account the fact that his IQ was estimated fairly recently, so it was done with the updated IQ scale.

Also the average IQ has only gone up around the equivalent of 20 points since his life if I am correct.

jetoba

The OP's question was not specific.  If I can do it then WJS could have beaten AlphaZero at bicycle racing, skeet shooting, kickboxing, canasta, etc.

shadowarcher28
jetoba wrote:

The OP's question was not specific.  If I can do it then WJS could have beaten AlphaZero at bicycle racing, skeet shooting, kickboxing, canasta, etc.

Robert James Sidis did not even live in the age of computers, they might be a bit confused what the strange machine in front of him is at first. tongue.png 

jetoba
shadowarcher28 wrote:
jetoba wrote:

The OP's question was not specific.  If I can do it then WJS could have beaten AlphaZero at bicycle racing, skeet shooting, kickboxing, canasta, etc.

Robert James Sidis did not even live in the age of computers, they might be a bit confused what the strange machine in front of him is at first.  

He was born after Charles Babbage lived, so the confusion would likely pass after a short explanation.

shadowarcher28

yes, but in the beginning they wouldn't understand 

ArjunM18
StormCentre3 wrote:

William James Sidis 1898-1944 - After he lost his appeal, the once idolized Sidis didn’t live too much longer. In 1944, he died of cerebral hemorrhage at age 46.

Found by his landlady, the most intelligent man known to modern history left Earth as a penniless, reclusive office clerk.

 

BlunderTest

Not a chance.

AlphaZero's chess is beyond the scope of any human brain -- even a brilliant one.

It's like asking if the world's strongest human could ever lift more than an industrial crane.

Avirishfire

NO!!! HE CAN READ THE NEW YORK TIMES WHEN HE WAS 2 AND HE WENT TO HARVARD AT A YOUNG AGE!

Avirishfire

sorry for caps.

AunTheKnight

If he really had an IQ of 300 and is well versed in current chess knowledge, maybe.

Avirishfire

yes i accept that al is better then sidis. but sidiswould be better then carlsen

shadowarcher28
Optimissed wrote:

I just read a synopsis of him. There's no evidence that he had an IQ of over 200. It's also rather a coincidence that the World's Smartest Man is American. And who estimated his IQ?

He doesn't seem very smart, the way he lived his life. And he probably didn't play chess.

exactly. it seems kind of strange considering the average American IQ is 98, two less than the average, compared to Singapore's 108, South Korea's 106, Italy's 102, Switzerland's 101 and the UK's 100, 

shadowarcher28

Countries by IQ - Average IQ by Country (worldpopulationreview.com)

shadowarcher28
Avirishfire wrote:

yes i accept that al is better then sidis. but sidiswould be better then carlsen

Iq is not chess skill. If iq was chess skill, I would at least be a 2000 

BlackLawliet
Optimissed wrote:

I just read a synopsis of him. There's no evidence that he had an IQ of over 200. It's also rather a coincidence that the World's Smartest Man is American. And who estimated his IQ?

He doesn't seem very smart, the way he lived his life. And he probably didn't play chess.

I beg to differ. First of all, I see no relevance in bringing up that he is American. Second of all, the level of accomplishments he had in no way pertains to his IQ. He could however speak multiple languages and even made up his own complete language by age 9. He is also the author of the book "The Animate and the Inanimate". This book speculates about the creation of life in the context of thermodynamics. Also, as previously mentioned, he attended Harvard at a very young age. Who are you to judge his intelligence based on his lifestyle? 

shadowarcher28
BlackLawliet wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

I just read a synopsis of him. There's no evidence that he had an IQ of over 200. It's also rather a coincidence that the World's Smartest Man is American. And who estimated his IQ?

He doesn't seem very smart, the way he lived his life. And he probably didn't play chess.

I beg to differ. First of all, I see no relevance in bringing up that he is American. Second of all, the level of accomplishments he had in no way pertains to his IQ. He could however speak multiple languages and even made up his own complete language by age 9. He is also the author of the book "The Animate and the Inanimate". This book speculates about the creation of life in the context of thermodynamics. Also, as previously mentioned, he attended Harvard at a very young age. Who are you to judge his intelligence based on his lifestyle? 

IQ not chess level bruh 

BlackLawliet
shadowarcher28 wrote:
BlackLawliet wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

I just read a synopsis of him. There's no evidence that he had an IQ of over 200. It's also rather a coincidence that the World's Smartest Man is American. And who estimated his IQ?

He doesn't seem very smart, the way he lived his life. And he probably didn't play chess.

I beg to differ. First of all, I see no relevance in bringing up that he is American. Second of all, the level of accomplishments he had in no way pertains to his IQ. He could however speak multiple languages and even made up his own complete language by age 9. He is also the author of the book "The Animate and the Inanimate". This book speculates about the creation of life in the context of thermodynamics. Also, as previously mentioned, he attended Harvard at a very young age. Who are you to judge his intelligence based on his lifestyle? 

IQ not chess level bruh 

I know. I clarified that I was referring to IQ multiple times. Did you even read it?