Carlsen misses mate in 3. Helps Giri in getting another draw.

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nimzomalaysian

Can you find it? I bet you can.

And Giri didn't miss out his chance on some trash talking.
Giri: "This is probably the most embarrassing moment of Magnus Carlsen's career. Nobody cares about me, but he is a legend. I feel very bad for him."
urk
Carlsen wanted to do it the hard way.
Either that, or he didn't believe it's possible to checkmate Giri.
ArchieBunker_420

I am now convinced... Anish Giri uses voodoo on his opponents to make them miss stuff.

eaguiraud

Ditto

nimzomalaysian

Well as it turns out, Anish Giri didn't see the mate either until the reporters told him.

nimzomalaysian

And here's what he had to say about the mate and the game and Magnus Carlsen.

ArchieBunker_420

I still say he's using voodoo. Acting unaware of the mate is just to avoid suspicion.

nimzomalaysian

"I feel really bad for him" *evil smirk*

cnj513

Yeah, even I saw it and I STINK!

I swear I saw this exact mate in a tactics puzzle.  

Benedictine

Wow, missed a mate in 3. Why was Carlsen rude at the ceremony, what did he say?

EscherehcsE
Philidor_Legacy wrote:

It looks to me like a threatened mate in 3 (1. Rc8+  Kg7 or ...Kh7, 2. Rf7+ followed by 3. Rh8#) that wins the queen: 1. Rc8+  Re8 2. Rxe8+  Qxe8 3. Bxe8 stops the mate. It's a shame that Carlsen missed that and the win.

Correct. There was no direct mate in 3.

nimzomalaysian

It's mate in 3 or resign in 1. A human would understand.

EscherehcsE
nimzomalaysian wrote:

It's mate in 3 or resign in 1. A human would understand.

As Philidor_Legacy stated, it's a threatened mate in 3 that loses the queen, but not a direct mate in 3.

nimzomalaysian

Quoting someone from the comments section of YouTube.

"The thing is that humans don't even look at moves like Re8 because they so obviously lose on the spot. Black loses literally all of his material. Sure, a computer plays it because it prevents the mate, but it's essentially a mate in 3 due to the illogical nature of playing a move like Re8. Black resigns."

EscherehcsE
nimzomalaysian wrote:

Quoting someone from the comments section of YouTube.

"The thing is that humans don't even look at moves like Re8 because they so obviously lose on the spot. Black loses literally all of his material. Sure, a computer plays it because it prevents the mate, but it's essentially a mate in 3 due to the illogical nature of playing a move like Re8. Black resigns."

What I and Philidor_Legacy stated is undisputable fact. I do agree that even the threatened mate results in a bad and quick loss. However, a threatened mate in 3 that would require more moves to mate isn't quite the same as a direct mate in 3. If you refuse to admit that fact, then there's no reason for further discussion.

x-1434418926

Dr. Zukhar was there!

Rat1960
Philidor_Legacy wrote:

It looks to me like a threatened mate in 3 (1. Rc8+  Kg7 or ...Kh7, 2. Rf7+ followed by 3. Rh8#) that wins the queen: 1. Rc8+  Re8 2. Rxe8+  Qxe8 3. Bxe8 stops the mate. It's a shame that Carlsen missed that and the win.

Yes indeed. Mr Carlsen is a great player but he is a long way short of Karpov and Kasparov.
There is a video of him beating three players blindfold which I find truly impressive.
The difference between computers and humans in the position above is computers do not feel the pressure of being material down.
Using a rough material count Mr Carlson is minus two and the bishop check allows equalisation of the rough material count by winning the bishop for rook exchange.

ArgoNavis

The evidence I needed to stop practising tactics.

nimzomalaysian
Rat1960 wrote:
Philidor_Legacy wrote:

It looks to me like a threatened mate in 3 (1. Rc8+  Kg7 or ...Kh7, 2. Rf7+ followed by 3. Rh8#) that wins the queen: 1. Rc8+  Re8 2. Rxe8+  Qxe8 3. Bxe8 stops the mate. It's a shame that Carlsen missed that and the win.

Yes indeed. Mr Carlsen is a great player but he is a long way short of Karpov and Kasparov.
There is a video of him beating three players blindfold which I find truly impressive.
The difference between computers and humans in the position above is computers do not feel the pressure of being material down.
Using a rough material count Mr Carlson is minus two and the bishop check allows equalisation of the rough material count by winning the bishop for rook exchange.

Lol, your argument is hardly valid. Do you know how a strong player evaluates a position? They look at candidate moves, at least 3 to 4 of them, and then after analyzing the various lines that originate from those moves, he picks the best move.

Now tell me, what are the possible candidate moves for white in this position? Let's look at the three most promising moves.

1. Bf7+ - White equalizes material, nothing else.

1. Rg5+ - After Kh8, Black is holding.

1 .Rc8+ - Presto, white gets mated in 3.

This simple process of elimination was all that was required, for Magnus to find the move.

Karpark
I would have thought that Carlsen would have recognised the pattern or motif producing the winning moves. It doesn't seem a very esoteric sequence of moves from the position given above. I reckon many players on this site would have found it OTB.

Bet Fischer would've seen it.

* Lights blue touch paper and stands back.