Casino chess!

I think the Church of the Sub-genius is missing one of it's parishioners...

A random chess position is given to the player. The position is winning for the players side and they are given a choice of two moves to make. They have X seconds to choose their move (X= 3,5,10? I don't know). The player feels they have a chance in this game because they have a 50/50 shot at guessing the move right -- and with a little bit of chess skill they should be able to pick a good move from a bad one, right?? But if you choose tricky enough positions, even good players won't do well in the short time limit.

You could make them play multi-move combinations if you want to make it harder. This game does bear some risk by the casino, it is 100% beatable since it is not a game of chance. However, this is what will draw patzers -- er, patrons -- to the game.

That's a great idea! GM's will be able to feed a family of 4 now!

One Idea would be to have a two up type of thing.  Two players play a game of chess whilst people bet on who is going to win with odds tied to rating... with every game rated.  Casino takes a rake.  two players in the middle put a certain amount up of equal amount and the winner takes the money.

i believe you might want to utilize "fischer random chess" for the casino... an interesting factor to slightly tilt the landslide of favor from the GMs and onto the betters... BTW if it works, i want 30%... heheh

Chuck Norris has the greatest Poker-Face of all time. He won the 1983 World Series of Poker, despite holding only a Joker, a "Get out of Jail Free" Monopoly card, a 2 of clubs, 7 of spades and a green #4 card from the game UNO.

it's a good idea but casinos have all of the games that anyone could win and chess is a skilled game and u need to know how to play it and why play that when u can play blackjack and get 21 and win about 100,000 and then go play poker or slots or something. but if u want to go ahead and do it i guess u could make a $20 pay in and how would u be the winner i have an idea you could make time limits like u said and who ever beats there player in the fastest time will be the winner and get the money and would not have to pay to play the next game until that person gets beat by someone and has to leave and if they want to stay in they will have to pay $30 to buy back into the table so they can win back there title. u could also hold a tournament type chess there and who ever has the most wins at the end of the night gets the prize money and to play that should cost $50 it would really be a great idea and u should try that, but if u use this idea i want some credit for it because i thought about how to help with your first idea.

-Chaingan20

I liked Lentinik's idea about Random positions.  Two players square off against each other in a game of Fischer random chess, and they bet before the board is established.  Maybe after they see the board they can have the option to double down or something?? Roll with it Yabba I think you are onto something here :)

i think you should have chess boards setup, and then these balls are randomly chosen out of a box that have coordinates on them, and when they call your coordinate you put a piece on the board and when you get 5 in a row, you win!

To late. i already saw this in the brittish chess magazine. I think it already exists

Yes, I think someone has beaten you to the punch:

http://www.freshpatents.com/Casino-chess-game-dt20080522ptan20080116636.php?type=description

if you go to this thirdworld country of ours, youll see alot of these by the side walk and street corners; (manual casino) betting by verbal, money down, no airconditioned venues, no cctv, no tables... just like a casino would have, just plain sidewalk and you can see this in parks mostly. hehe, this could be a great idea if its implemented in real casinoes. okay, yabba, i'll put a "lol" just like you told us

Yabba, the major problem that would arise, should your Chess Casino game emerge, is dealer fatigue. Playing multiple games of chess at the same time day-in-day-out would be mentally exhausting even for the most mentally stalwart of GMs. After a week of the mental strains you would have employee mutinies.

One way to get around this is to cheat. How you ask? The ‘eyes in the sky’ over the chess tables are watched by GMs who observe the games and pass on advice to chess nobodies via an earpiece. This allows the GMs time to think and analyze moves without having the pressure of being onsite. It also allows for collective GM thought for a more challenging game.

Points would be the easiest way to calculate prize money. Players could exit the game whenever they liked and the odds would be in their favour. For example, player X takes a rook and leaves the table. It would make for a lot of sack kills just to get a few bucks but most chess players will play the course of the game. Conversely, full games could be played and the cash amount fronted is matched by the casino if the player wins.

Ultimately, this would never fly because there are far too many variables involved. With poker, no matter version or variation, the rules are set, the cards are set, the formation they appear is set (like in hold ‘em) and the number of winning hands are set and ordered. In chess there are too many variations of play to score victory.

Long story short: you’re a brilliant idiot. J

maybe 1 dollar per move, and if you want to make it higher you bet higher every turn if you want too, if not 1 dollar per turn until someone mucks the game by not paying the bet, kind of like folding a poker hand, if the game is under 20 moves, then the winning player gets 100% of the pot, if the game goes past 20 moves and/or a player is allin and/or the game is a draw, then the casino takes 5% rake or 5 dollars, whichever is bigger, and if a player does go allin, the game is played out until someone wins by checkmate or a draw happens, if its a draw both players split the pot after the rake.

Er, Bobby Fischer played in 1972, so...

@yabbadabbadoostein

3 Things off the top of my head.

1st thing.

What you propose essentially already existed and became extinct. You are trying to resurrect an extinct art.

Pool hustling.

There are a couple of good pool hustling movies. The Hustler (1961). Turn the River (2007).

Pool hustling is difficult, even back in the days of only telephones, before TV. Word gets around, and people know who's who, and you won't be able to get new suckers.

Televised pool competition became a legitimate sport. Thus pool hustling died.

Poker, too. Televised poker games sponsored by a casino makes it a legitimate sport, so poker hustling is something of the past.

Hustling is difficult. Even without telecommunication, words get around.

2nd thing.

People like to game on games of chance, not games of skill.

Where everyone has an equal chance. Cards give that opportunity.

Chess is a game of skill, nobody bet on a game of skill, personally. They would only bet as spectator.

Nobody bet on human foot races. They can be fixed. They bet on horse races. If the horse cheats, the horse is not talking.

And games have to be "honest" such as boxing. Not wrestling, which chess is more like wrestling. Wrestling can be choreographed, and so can chess.

Real wrestling died, and choreographed wrestling took its place.

3rd thing.

Chess has distinguished itself from cards since its birth. It's not random like cards. And it is not like backgammon where you throw a dice.

It is skill based so it is less attractive to gambling.

Forever, chess is "gentleman's game." It is played for nothing.

But ironically, it is played for everything. For all the marbles. It is played for reputation, for pride, for fame, for bragging rights.

It is very much in the spirit of the Original Olympics. The winner just gets a crown made out of leaves.

But nothing beats Olympic Glory.

Chess is classy.

It is not played for money, like cards, like gambling.

Gambling is essentially trying to steal money from each other.

Chess is played for nothing, no valuables. Just to be a better artist. That is the class and prestige you cannot buy!

It is quite ironic. What is money? It is an inanimate object and we imbue with power and magic. It is the ultimate form of idolatry. (I learned that on the tv show: Earth: Final Conflict.)

I have a silicone USCF chess set (and board). It too is a symbol of power. But it is not of anything of material value like money. But it is the whole world. "All the world is a stage" - Shakespeare.

Nothing equals everything.

Profound, isn't it?