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Hi, I have realized something important, regarding a rule in chess...

Take this board for example where black is "checkmated".

in this picture, it is seen black is checkmated, yet logically he should be able to take the queen as it is without support as the rook is pinned. This does not only apply to checkmate situations...
 
I do not understand this rule at all
 
The above was one of the terrible games that I played, but it was here I questioned that rule. My king could take the queen as the rook wouldn't take my king. This doesn't make any sense....

 

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pinned pieces still exert their influence on the king
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a king can not move into check
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Think about it this way: who will take the king first? Sometimes in blitz you are allowed to take king.
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  • i find that a weird rule, its time to revolutionize chess XD @IcyAvaleigh @daxypoo
  • and, it would be my turn as black if it were not for the checkmate @cellomaster8
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So in this case (and in blitz this is legal) you would take the rook with your queen and white would take your king
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can i not take the queen with my king, as the rook is pinned, it would make sense to me @cellomaster8

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king cannot move into check.. easy as that

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oh i see , LOL, thanks, i just noticed that!! XD @mickynj 

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There is a variant of chess that if Kings are captured on successive moves, then its a draw. In that variation the position in the OP would be a draw (I think, I don't know all the rules of that variation, but I am guessing in that variation the king will take the queen and then rook takes king, followed by Queen takes king).

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interesting....that would be kinda cool in actual chess right? @JayesSinhaChess

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Chess_King15 wrote:

interesting....that would be kinda cool in actual chess right? @JayesSinhaChess

No, it's a very silly idea which would allow for people to do stupid things to get draws.

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spawkle529 wrote:
Chess_King15 wrote:

interesting....that would be kinda cool in actual chess right? @JayesSinhaChess

No, it's a very silly idea which would allow for people to do stupid things to get draws.

well, there is the silly repetition one as well, which in some cases is used if you have barely any time...

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Chess_King15 wrote:

can i not take the queen with my king, as the rook is pinned, it would make sense to me

 

What you are trying to argue is illogical. You say that you should be allowed to expose your King to check because the white rook cannot move and expose his own King to check.

Rules must apply equally to both sides.

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Lagomorph wrote:
Chess_King15 wrote:

can i not take the queen with my king, as the rook is pinned, it would make sense to me

 

What you are trying to argue is illogical. You say that you should be allowed to expose your King to check because the white rook cannot move and expose his own King to check.

Rules must apply equally to both sides.

yes i realized that happy.png

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This sort of controversy is precisely the reason why I've always said that a game of chess should end with capturing the king.

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This has been posted before...there really isn’t a need for spam...

Nor is there a need to contradict the rules...
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Checkmated indeed! Chess has many rules (not only one as you already know) and among them some have obvious priorities. Chess pieces attack and defend at the same time, regardless of being able to move or not. In this example White Queen is being defended by the rook, the priority rule affects Black side first (no legal moves) not White.

Pretty easy to understand.

Best!
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Ricardo_Fdez wrote:
Checkmated indeed! Chess has many rules (not only one as you already know) and among them some have obvious priorities. Chess pieces attack and defend at the same time, regardless of being able to move or not. In this example White Queen is being defended by the rook, the priority rule affects Black side first (no legal moves) not White.

Pretty easy to understand.

Best!

haha indeed

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