Checkmate By King

I think this rule should be changed

If we change it in here, chess.com, maybe it will spread around the world.

If you think in the origin of the game of chess, this rule makes no sense. The board is a battle field, and altough the king is the most important piece, he was in most ancient battles one very offensive piece.

My proposition is that, one week for now, in every chess.com game the king gains new powers, to mimic a real king:

-Kings CAN check and ckeck-mate eachother.

-The King moves like a Queen+Knight.

These small changes will make the game much more accurate.

King's can already do that

Consider it this way: White's king has just moved, opening a discovered check on Black's king from one of White's rooks. You would say "Black's king is in check". And if you were asked "What piece is giving check?", you would answer "White's rook", as that is the one attacking the king. White's king is not giving check, it simply moved to allow the rook to give check, which it was blocking before.

Considering this question I would say that, it is all of my pieces working as a team that checkmate the king. One of them delivers the check and the rest of the team make sure the king has no way of getting out of check. So then a queen, a rook, a knight, bishop or pawn do no deliver checkmate. They only check, and the other pieces make checkmate, and, in the case of smothered mate, as cleverer players might see, the enemy pieces can help too.

Right but technically th eking is giving check and checkmate because of the notation. You don't say Kf7Bd4#. You say Kf7#

Do you know the story of the lion who played with donkeys? LOL

The notation is just the piece moving.

I think Jion Wansu has something to learn about discovered check. i.e The piece that moves to allow the check does not do the checking.

Maybe this is too difficult for some people to understand.

He doesn't get the laws and physics of discovered check. He refuses to believe the truth shrouding himself in his lies.

Checkmate is a property of the entire position, not of a single piece. FIDE rules do not specify any particular piece the checkmate should be 'credited to'. So by definition the answer to the question is "No". A King can never checkmate. Just like a Queen can never checkmate, and a Rook can never checkmate. Individual pieces do not checkmate. Players do, using their entire army of Chess men.

Of course what the OP really intended to ask is "Can a King move result in the opponent being checkmated". Then the answer is of course yes, and everyone would have seen that instantly.

What if both Kings checkmated each other at the same time.

Would that be a double down draw or a double checkmate?  :)

Can't happen unless it's a blitz or bullet game where one person makes an illegal move, etc.

owltuna, see this post:

That also means that the queen can't checkmate a king either

The death blow can never be delivered by a king.

So no. Mate net sure, Deathblow...No.

The king can be part of the mating net, but cannot check a king in a mating net.

What about a King moves and checkmate is discovered.

King still isnt delivering the death blow. The piece being discovered is.

I guess it depends on how you define 'delivers'. Or 'death blow'. Personally I don't think that the piece that attcks the king can be said to deliver the death blow. The one that would actualy capture the king does. But that doesn't need to be the piece that checks. It can just as well be a piece that covers one of the escape squares. Or a piece that pins a piece that could otherwise interpose. They are all equally important parts of the 'mate net'.

The funny thing in Shogi is that you win by actually capturing the King, but that checkmate does play a role in the rules. (It is not allowed to deliver checkmate with a Pawn drop.)

Again....Mate net , sure. Deathblow No.

This mole hill is not a mountain, its a mole hill.

Let's be clear, though: in chess no peice delivers the "death blow".  The game ends just prior to this at checkmate when this is inevitable and there is no saving move for the defeated side.  The king is never actually captured.

Perhaps checkmate could be seen this way. The losing king is captured and has no means of escaped and is taken off to be executed somewhere off the board. The piece that delivers the final check takes away the king's last means of escape. Many pieces die on the chessboard, but the king never dies because when the king is captured, or has no moves left, the game ends.