Chess: a game that's losing it's value?

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varelse1
wlcgeek wrote:

Here's a follow-up question. 

What about in Bobby Fischer's day?  I was around, but wasn't Fischer a national hero in the US? 

Could the American public today even name the best U.S. player? 

I guess maybe in Fischer's day there was more at stake?  Of course I'm talking about US (capitalist) and USSR (communist) ideological conflicts and the symbolism of Fischer vs. the Soviet Union.  ...But, still, to have a whole country know who you are due to chess is pretty amazing. 

Was the culture different then?  Less TV, video games, etc. possibly at all?  ....And what about in the old Soviet Union?  Was chess "popular" in the USSR back then?

I wasn't around for Fischer either. but in the early 90's i was stationed in Brittain, for the Short/ Nunn/ Adams craze.

And I'm glad I was. Because chess was everywhere, then! It was unreal.

But to answer your question, chess was always most popular in the Soviet Union, and the Warsaw Pact countries, because those countries produced the most chess stars. Giving those people somebody to root for.

If Anand and Fischer have proven anything, it is that chess has the potential to be just popular anywhere, as it was behind the Iron Curtain, IF the correct leader emerges to shepherd it there.

Hollyw00d

Chess has been around for centuries, it isn't going anywhere.   I think it isn't very popular because:

A) It's not socially "accepted" for the most part by the masses

B) It's a difficult game that requires discipline, patience, and dedication

C) You generally have to have a certain level of intelligence to play the game and succeed at it and enjoy it to its fullest.  The vast majority of people are pretty dumb, and thus can't appreciate it.

KuzmickiMarek

Well. I think Olympics are loosing their value. To watch chess you need to understand some of its basics at least - it mean you must have played it. To watch any of olympics you just need to have tv (or computer) - no activity is needed.

Computer engines evaluating position make chess in part similiar to olympics - you can watch candidates tournament and 'see' who has advance. But to know why you need to think by yourself.

I could say more. But i think only one thing is important - to let people chance to play chess, and they'll decide for themselves if they like it or not.

varelse1

Found an article Nigel Short wrote this weekend in the Gaurdian, deals with this topic very nicely.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/23/magnus-carlsen-start-chess-renaissance

withineden
varelse1 wrote:
withineden wrote:

I'm a senior in High school, and I have been playing chess with the timer and all in school with various of my former and current teachers. But the students that come in and out of the class look upon it as a ridiculous game, even calling it so.

 

From a spectator point of view, are chess games at all interesting (are they boring to watch in other words) or is chess a game that no one really considers anymore in this age of technology?

Chess. Golf. Getting drunk.

They're all fun to do. No fun to watch somebody else do it.

Nothing to do with the day, or the age. Chess has always been that way. It cannot lose, what it never had. It is what's known as a Niche-market. Has major appeal to a few, little/no appeal to most.

And it will always be that way.  Two guys staring at some wooden figures on a checkered board will never have mass appeal.

But what 99% of the world thinks isn't important. The pertinent question is, Do YOU enjoy it?

If so, it has the potential to enrich your life for years to come. That just means you are part of that niche. Enjoy.

Thanks Varelse, I never thought of it that way. Same for everyone else that commented on those premises; I guess chess isn't a spectator game.

Conflagration_Planet

You should tell them that since they know nothing about it, they are in no position to judge it either way.

eehc

Well the way I see it I should that Chess has never been more popular than it is today. With all the platforms available (Internet, chess computers, chess club, parks ect) Chess is everywhere. Anyone can log online at any time and playchess with an opponent across the sea. That wasn't the case at in the 70' and 80' when you had to find yourself in a chess circle in order to play on a regular basis.

Sunofthemorninglight

appreciation of chess requires more sublime senses.

still, the american system of getting the adrenaline going ought to be brought into the game.

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duck_and_cover

what's her rating?

DrFrank124c
linuxblue1 wrote:

When I played chess at clubs in the 80's people were saying the same thing: we aren't getting enough members, especially young members, because of all these computer games that people are spending their time with instead of learning chess.

Chess survived that.

Chess survived WOW, COD, runescape and Skyrim.

Chess is a battle-hardened survivor. Chess will press on. Chess will never surrender. Chess will fight them on the beaches, whereever they might be. Chess will never succumb to the dark abyss of a perverted science.

Great speech!

Aetheldred
EricFleet wrote:

To appreciate a chess game, one must be able to play chess. To appreciate a football game you just have to have a butt to place on your sofa. This is why chess is not a spectator sport.

Well said.

drahtseil, you are right, Garri is Kasparov's real name.

AndyClifton
rmurray wrote:
Ignorant people ridicule what they can't comprehend.

As you are now ridiculing them. Wink

AndyClifton
Hollyw00d wrote:

Chess has been around for centuries, it isn't going anywhere.   I think it isn't very popular because:

A) It's not socially "accepted" for the most part by the masses

B) It's a difficult game that requires discipline, patience, and dedication

C) You generally have to have a certain level of intelligence to play the game and succeed at it and enjoy it to its fullest.  The vast majority of people are pretty dumb, and thus can't appreciate it.

lol...wow, is this dumb. Laughing

dont_mess_with_liggy
I remember at school i used to get a hard time from a guy who got dux of the school with him calling me a nerd for winning an equivalent award in chess because no one could play it and i cleaned house at every inter-school event. One day I asked for his logic to say that considering i would show up and play and he studied all night and even with his proclaimed superior intelligence i could still whoop him on the chess board and spent my afternoons and weekends playing sport and having fun. Needless to say he lost his argument and that stopped going on about it. I stopped playing after school and got a family and career now and I'm back playing again (500 rating points below where i left off) and absolutely love it and can't wait for my kids to be old enough to learn it so i can be the dad they aim to beat :) For me chess is timeless, and there's enough interest in the world and i think always will be to get me a game at any time online. :)
AndyClifton
drahtseil wrote:
 There will always be some people who like the game so much that they will invest some time to get better and follow the master games, but most people won't, because it's a complex and difficult game. That has nothing to do with value. Is philosophy less valuable because most people don't care for it?

But lots of games that are complex and difficult have quite a following.

Additionally, I would say that philosophy is indeed less valuable because most people don't care for it.

AlCzervik
duck_and_cover wrote:

what's her rating?

If it's not ten, it's really close.

AndyClifton
EricFleet wrote:

To appreciate a chess game, one must be able to play chess. To appreciate a football game you just have to have a butt to place on your sofa. This is why chess is not a spectator sport.

lol...obviously not a football fan. Smile

AndyClifton
Aetheldred wrote:
drahtseil, you are right, Garri is Kasparov's real name.

lol...it's a transliteration.  There can be no talk of a "real" name here.

IpswichMatt

Yes, it's well known that nephews are the strongest chess players.

duck_and_cover

Are you Ivanov's uncle?