For those of you saying let’s include monopoly as a sport is just stupid. Monopoly is all luck with the dice roll where as chess requires skills not just luck. I said earlier tiddley winks but if you think about it tiddley winks actually takes some skill. If you actively practiced tiddley winks and competed at it in tournaments I would consider it a sport.
Chess... a SPORT?!
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Oct 6, 2011
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Steven2444 wrote:
For those of you saying let’s include monopoly as a sport is just stupid. Monopoly is all luck with the dice roll where as chess requires skills not just luck. I said earlier tiddley winks but if you think about it tiddley winks actually takes some skill. If you actively practiced tiddley winks and competed at it in tournaments I would consider it a sport.
Monopoly is similar to backgammon, poker, and Risk. They are all games which include both skill and luck, to varying degrees. Chess, checkers, go, and Othello don't include luck in the same way.
But I sure feel unlucky when I run into an opponent who happens to know my opening better than I do. But it's not the same thing as rolling the dice, I freely admit.
Steven2444 wrote:
For those of you saying let’s include monopoly as a sport is just stupid. Monopoly is all luck with the dice roll where as chess requires skills not just luck. I said earlier tiddley winks but if you think about it tiddley winks actually takes some skill. If you actively practiced tiddley winks and competed at it in tournaments I would consider it a sport.
There are tiddley wink tournaments, and it takes a lot of skill.
By these people's logic of chess being a sport because it's competitive, rock-paper-scissors is also a sport, as it has a world championship, I heard.
checkmateibeatu wrote:
By these people's logic of chess being a sport because it's competitive, rock-paper-scissors is also a sport, as it has a world championship, I heard.
Yes I have seen that R-P-S is a real contest with real strategies and real prizes. Does that make "Wheel of Fortune" or "Jeopardy" a sport too? I don't think so. I also think if you can't find a Chess Game or a Monopoly Game in a Sporting Goods store there is a good chance they aren't considered a sport.
Look a Sporting Goods store has Ski Masks, Running Shoes, and Jock Straps, but no Chess Games. Hell they even have Bar-B-Ques if you want to Tail Gate.
Skwerly, you may not have seen the warning from the other thread, but I will give you it now- another accusation of me being a troll, and you will be blocked.
Oct 6, 2011
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i will go easier, but i wish you would create actual chess topics, instead of topics "kind of" about chess that will likely go on for an infinite amount of pages.
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Speaking of an infinite amount of pages, Word Association is seemingly that. I posted in it once about how it broke the record, but was soon forced to untrack, as the 12,500 posts made it extremely slow to load. If that happened to a thread of mine, I'd start a fresh thread at the first signs of this, as many have done with Word Association.
Oct 6, 2011
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#111
lol, yea, i don't get the 'what are you listening too' and all those threads getting FAR more hits than actual chess ones. if folks just wanna socialize, why don't they go to yahoo! chat?
personal opinion but for whoever cares to read...
It absolutly depends on your definition of a sport. Bobby fischer use to talk about exercising to be read for chess. repeated bouts of sitting for long hours while concentrating might not seem that physical but i believe it is. I get lazy after playing a couple hours. there is also sports that require extreme hand eye vs extreme muscular capacity i.e darts and golf vs sprinting and shot put. What exactly is "sportive" about sprinting? things tend to fall on this continuum, either being extremely propreoceptivly demanding or muscular demanding in what most people consider sport. For those who think other sports dont equire as much mental capacity i dare you to study a 500 page nfl playbook and be able to execute it with last second adjustments and split second timing. IMHO i just dont care...its fun so why care to debate. just play and have fun doing it! the best will get paid and the worst will just have fun...like any sport
Skwerly wrote:
i will go easier, but i wish you would create actual chess topics, instead of topics "kind of" about chess that will likely go on for an infinite amount of pages.
I have to say, what's wrong with that? If you like short threads go to "Unanswerd Posts".
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
Steven2444 wrote:
For those of you saying let’s include monopoly as a sport is just stupid. Monopoly is all luck with the dice roll where as chess requires skills not just luck. I said earlier tiddley winks but if you think about it tiddley winks actually takes some skill. If you actively practiced tiddley winks and competed at it in tournaments I would consider it a sport.
Monopoly is similar to backgammon, poker, and Risk. They are all games which include both skill and luck, to varying degrees. Chess, checkers, go, and Othello don't include luck in the same way.
But I sure feel unlucky when I run into an opponent who happens to know my opening better than I do. But it's not the same thing as rolling the dice, I freely admit.
I don't see how there is any skill involved in monopoly other then not being a dumbass when it comes to buying and trading. Not being a dumbass should not be a prerequisite of a sport haha. Poker and risk involve a lot of skill! Playing either competitively would be very challenging. I have never played backgammon but I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Sorry for kind of going off subject...
Oct 6, 2011
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Risk to me requires less skill than Monopoly. I've played more of each than most of you.
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
Risk to me requires less skill than Monopoly. I've played more of each than most of you.
all due respect...how would you know that you have played more then others? certainly more them me, but i have a job
Phelon wrote:
frrixz wrote:
Phelon wrote:
Ive done Baseball, basketball, hockey, tennis, racquetball, archery, cross country, waterpolo, cycling, and swimming fairly seriously and Ive gotten more exhausted playing in a 4 day chess tournament than I have in any of the other activities (with the exception of when I started swimming and waterpolo, before i got my swimming muscles). Its a sport, highly competitive, physically exhausting, and based on skill, with winners and losers. If you want to call it something else go ahead but I dont really care.
Honestly?
Honestly. Chess can be very intense and draining. We played two games a day at 2 h + 1h/40moves time controls. Each of my games lasted atleast 5 hours except my last one, and the competition was hard as nails, I was calculating every moment I could.
did you get tennis elbow...or is thst chess elbow?
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
Risk to me requires less skill than Monopoly. I've played more of each than most of you.
Have you ever played Risk against one opponnet and you each had two colors. Very interesting.
Ive done Baseball, basketball, hockey, tennis, racquetball, archery, cross country, waterpolo, cycling, and swimming fairly seriously and Ive gotten more exhausted playing in a 4 day chess tournament than I have in any of the other activities (with the exception of when I started swimming and waterpolo, before i got my swimming muscles). Its a sport, highly competitive, physically exhausting, and based on skill, with winners and losers. If you want to call it something else go ahead but I dont really care.
Honestly?
Honestly. Chess can be very intense and draining. We played two games a day at 2 h + 1h/40moves time controls. Each of my games lasted atleast 5 hours except my last one, and the competition was hard as nails, I was calculating every moment I could.
I think physical difficulty has a lot to do with how much you put into it. I can see you were trying very hard in that chess tournament and can see how that will require endurance and take a toll.
Some sports are ideally designed to be arbitrarily difficult (like cross country) and increase in difficulty as you improve on your enduring capability and stamina.
My initial skepticism came from the idea that chess, being designed as a mind game, isn't constructed in such a way that if you quantified physical difficulty, you could will yourself to be physically taxed N for any given N, by playing chess. In cross country, however, all you have to do is run faster and it will be more physically taxing (at least until you're knocked out or die).