Chess and Astrology

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bigpoison
marvellosity wrote:
shakmatnykov wrote:

Human beings are creatures of faith.

The religious have faith in their Gods.

The atheists have faith in the idea that there are no Gods.

The agnostics have faith in the idea that faith itself is worthless.


Er, no. All very tidy, but incorrect. I don't have 'faith' in my atheism. I accept something is as it is when I am, or it can be, shown that it is so. This doesn't require faith in the idea that there are no gods. Just hard logic.


Marvellosity makes perfect sense.  He makes no claim to have faith even in logic.  Faith is for...(find a nice alliterative word here).

Gomer_Pyle

 The biggest problem I have with astrology is that the planetary configurations have changed but the characteristics of the zodiac have not. Due to the precession of the planets the zodiac is off by one whole sign. For example, I was born on July 9th, which makes me a Cancer. However, the day I was born the sun was actually in Gemini.

 Personal characteristics were developed based on which sign the sun was in at birth. The sun's position in the zodiac no longer matches the position for which the characteristics were developed. Therefore, either astrology is meaningless or astrologers have it all wrong.

Check this site for a better explanation: http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/your-astronomical-sign.html

marvellosity
ichabod801 wrote:
marvellosity wrote:
shakmatnykov wrote:

Human beings are creatures of faith.

The religious have faith in their Gods.

The atheists have faith in the idea that there are no Gods.

The agnostics have faith in the idea that faith itself is worthless.


Er, no. All very tidy, but incorrect. I don't have 'faith' in my atheism. I accept something is as it is when I am, or it can be, shown that it is so. This doesn't require faith in the idea that there are no gods. Just hard logic.


 There is no such hard logic. You can't disprove God.


I also can't disprove the notion that there are invisible fairies dancing underneath my chair plotting global domination by 2020. But, to all intents and purposes, I can continue my existence under the presumption that this isn't the case, unless shown evidence to the contrary.

How is one supposed to disprove a negative? The burden of proof is on someone stressing a positive (i.e. this thing exists, this situation is the case, etc.).

marvellosity
bigpoison wrote:
marvellosity wrote:
shakmatnykov wrote:

Human beings are creatures of faith.

The religious have faith in their Gods.

The atheists have faith in the idea that there are no Gods.

The agnostics have faith in the idea that faith itself is worthless.


Er, no. All very tidy, but incorrect. I don't have 'faith' in my atheism. I accept something is as it is when I am, or it can be, shown that it is so. This doesn't require faith in the idea that there are no gods. Just hard logic.


Marvellosity makes perfect sense.  He makes no claim to have faith even in logic.  Faith is for...(find a nice alliterative word here).


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but you don't need faith in logic, because logic is demonstrable. One thing leads to another in a manifest way.

kohai

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ichabod801
marvellosity wrote:

I also can't disprove the notion that there are invisible fairies dancing underneath my chair plotting global domination by 2020. But, to all intents and purposes, I can continue my existence under the presumption that this isn't the case, unless shown evidence to the contrary.

How is one supposed to disprove a negative? The burden of proof is on someone stressing a positive (i.e. this thing exists, this situation is the case, etc.).


 Fine, but that's not logic. There is no logic proof showing that things are false unless proven true. You have faith that things that have not been proven are false. But just because something hasn't been proven to be true doesn't mean it isn't true.

A classic example is "all swans are white." If you look at old European texts on predicate logic, this is sometimes given as an example of a true statement. The thing is, some swans are black. But those swans exist in Australia, which was unknown to the early European authors of those texts. Those Europeans had no evidence that black swans existed, so by your reasoning they had hard logical grounds for believing that they didn't. But they did exist.

As to the burden of proof, I'm not stressing either way on the existence of God. You're deciding what to believe. Personally, if I don't have any evidence for something's existence, I believe that I don't know whether it's true or false. YMMV.

tongo
sharkdog wrote:

Okay, here is an absolutly devastating argument against astrology; one of many I might add. Identical twins are often observed to have similar personalities. Fraternal twins usually have different personalities; sometimes extremely different just like non-twin brothers and sisters. If astrology was true, then all twins should be very similer whether they are fraternal or identical because they are born minutes apart and therefore have nearly identical astrological destinies. I know this isn't chess related but neither is the question really.


if you new astrology you wouldn't say such things, but since you clearly lack knowledge i will take it upon me self to show you a thing or 2.

with twins you should remember that when born under certain stars even a slight time difference e.g. seconds, can produce magnanimous variations in character/ personality e.g. taurus.

your destinies are never the same just because you were born under the same stars, that is a blatant-shameless lie, or else all the dictators of the world  would have been born under the same star. you can however possess similar personality traits.

why don't you go tarot reading my freind and then try to come back and talk about astrology.

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