The fact that who plays white and who plays black in a single game of chess is randomly chosen proves that chess is not 100% skill.
In tournaments it's not at all random.
The fact that who plays white and who plays black in a single game of chess is randomly chosen proves that chess is not 100% skill.
In tournaments it's not at all random.
Both are great games of skill but there is an element of chance in poker while
chess is 100% skill.
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The main issues are the suitable long runs can be ridiculously large and the short-term variances can be incredibly large. Particularly with $10,000 entry fee tournaments if you a world class player sufficiently skilled to get a 70-30 edge on the field, and the typical field is about 2000 players, you're still unlikely to win in any practical time frame.
For $10/$20 limit hold'em, 2 players using an identical strategy for 3 years of professional play can differ by $5/hour and have done so in tests! If you're playing 40+ hrs/week that's over $10,000/year in differences in a situation specifically chosen for low variance.
In $10,000 entry tournaments it frequently happens that good players have 10 non-cashes in a row due to bad beats or the occasional blunder/mistake/inaccuracy (misread, etc) so $100,000 negative swings certainly do occur.
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But I was most successful in cash games where the variance is lower. Poker Tournaments are the epitome of high variation. 90% of the players lose the entry fee, 5% get roughly 150% of the entry fee and the remaining 5% show solid to massive wins.
Excellent comments from someone who has also been there!
Technically, I believe the difference is that Chess is a game of complete information, while Poker is a game played with incomplete information. So the skill sets required to play each game at a very high level are somewhat different. But there are overlaps as well. Planning, memory, concentration, these are required skills at both games.
Another excellent comment. Fully agree: in poker we play with limited information.
Poker = cards! Which only means luck! There is no such thing as luck in chess, I would prefer to win on merit rather than luck such as cards.
Why so many poker threads?
I think because poker is a skill game and much chessplayers likes skill games.
Poker = cards! Which only means luck! There is no such thing as luck in chess, I would prefer to win on merit rather than luck such as cards.
Poker is definitly a skill card game. If poker is all about luck there wouldn't be not poker pro's in the world.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6264387.stm
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100190715/if-i-play-my-cards-right-is-poker-a-game-of-skill-or-luck/
The fact that who plays white and who plays black in a single game of chess is randomly chosen proves that chess is not 100% skill.