Chess and Poker

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TheBone1

The fact that who plays white and who plays black in a single game of chess is randomly chosen proves that chess is not 100% skill.

orangehonda
TheBone1 wrote:

The fact that who plays white and who plays black in a single game of chess is randomly chosen proves that chess is not 100% skill.


In tournaments it's not at all random.

3943rjfrolland
zankfrappa wrote:

Both are great games of skill but there is an element of chance in poker while
chess is 100% skill.


soach
LordTC wrote:

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The main issues are the suitable long runs can be ridiculously large and the short-term variances can be incredibly large.  Particularly with $10,000 entry fee tournaments if you a world class player sufficiently skilled to get a 70-30 edge on the field, and the typical field is about 2000 players, you're still unlikely to win in any practical time frame.

For $10/$20 limit hold'em, 2 players using an identical strategy for 3 years of professional play can differ by $5/hour and have done so in tests!  If you're playing 40+ hrs/week that's over $10,000/year in differences in a situation specifically chosen for low variance.

In $10,000 entry tournaments it frequently happens that good players have 10 non-cashes in a row due to bad beats or the occasional blunder/mistake/inaccuracy (misread, etc) so $100,000 negative swings certainly do occur.

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But I was most successful in cash games where the variance is lower.  Poker Tournaments are the epitome of high variation.  90% of the players lose the entry fee, 5% get roughly 150% of the entry fee and the remaining 5% show solid to massive wins.


 Excellent comments from someone who has also been there!

soach
paulgottlieb wrote:

Technically, I believe the difference is that Chess is a game of complete information, while Poker is a game played with incomplete information. So the skill sets required to play each game at a very high level are somewhat different. But there are overlaps as well. Planning, memory, concentration, these are required skills at both games.


Another excellent comment. Fully agree: in poker we play with limited information.

morphic6

Poker = cards! Which only means luck! There is no such thing as luck in chess, I would prefer to win on merit rather than luck such as cards.

Jion_Wansu

What about Magic The Gathering?

Jion_Wansu

Why so many poker threads?

Jion_Wansu

Why so many poker threads?

FPTR
Jion_Wansu schreef:

Why so many poker threads?

I think because poker is a skill game and much chessplayers likes skill games.

FPTR
morphic_6 schreef:

Poker = cards! Which only means luck! There is no such thing as luck in chess, I would prefer to win on merit rather than luck such as cards.

Poker is definitly a skill card game. If poker is all about luck there wouldn't be not  poker pro's in the world. 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6264387.stm
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tomchiversscience/100190715/if-i-play-my-cards-right-is-poker-a-game-of-skill-or-luck/
 

Jion_Wansu

I don't think poker is that much of a skill game.

Jion_Wansu

THREAD DELETE

Jion_Wansu

Yup, one of these threads again...

Jion_Wansu

Let's delete all of these poker threads and start from scratch

Bur_Oak

Pinochle is better than poker. Let's discuss pinochle vs. chess. (On second thought, ....)

Jion_Wansu

Are we doing this again?

JuergenWerner

Chess and poker are both fun

JuergenWerner

chess, poker, baccarat?