If I were given a nickel for every time I've heard someone claim they're not renewing a subscription over the latest outrageous molehill of a tempest that doesn't affect them personally in the slightest, I'd have enough donations to renew my subscription.
Chess.com on Niemann ban
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bezzlebedeviled wrote:
If I were given a nickel for every time I've heard someone claim they're not renewing a subscription over the latest outrageous molehill of a tempest that doesn't affect them personally in the slightest, I'd have enough donations to renew my subscription.
Yeah, it comes off kind of desperate.
I get the idea of letting your money speak, but I think cashing in your chips over how they are dealing with a known cheater is a bit silly. It would be interesting to check and see how many people still have their subscription next month.
Sep 11, 2022
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Bryan-HallWS wrote:
bezzlebedeviled wrote:
If I were given a nickel for every time I've heard someone claim they're not renewing a subscription over the latest outrageous molehill of a tempest that doesn't affect them personally in the slightest, I'd have enough donations to renew my subscription.
Yeah, it comes off kind of desperate.
I get the idea of letting your money speak, but I think cashing in your chips over how they are dealing with a known cheater is a bit silly. It would be interesting to check and see how many people still have their subscription next month.
It's cheap virtue signalling. Like when corporations refuse to tweet for a weekend over "racism" or something. We've created a world where people genuinely think they can change the world from their smartphone.
Sep 11, 2022
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bezzlebedeviled wrote:
If I were given a nickel for every time I've heard someone claim they're not renewing a subscription over the latest outrageous molehill of a tempest that doesn't affect them personally in the slightest, I'd have enough donations to renew my subscription.
You are not even a paid member.
Yes, I cancelled my paid ms after chess.com removed Hans to show him my support. And I'm not alone.
Sep 11, 2022
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I can't work out what members most commonly object to, that Niemann was allowed to continue on Chess.com after being caught cheating at least twice or that he was retroactively banned.
CraigIreland wrote:
I can't work out what members most commonly object to, that Niemann was allowed to continue on Chess.com after being caught cheating at least twice or that he was retroactively banned.
For me personally, it's neither. It's how he reacted over 5 dollars at a charity event. Of course he has every right to be upset over 5 dollars at a charity event. But that tells me ALL I need to know about him.
Sep 11, 2022
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lfPatriotGames wrote:
CraigIreland wrote:
I can't work out what members most commonly object to, that Niemann was allowed to continue on Chess.com after being caught cheating at least twice or that he was retroactively banned.
For me personally, it's neither. It's how he reacted over 5 dollars at a charity event. Of course he has every right to be upset over 5 dollars at a charity event. But that tells me ALL I need to know about him.
So that's it? You're willing to condemn forever with no possibility of learning or maturation? Have you ever acted a brat on a bad day or reacted impetuously then later learned the lesson? Were there any cameras in your face? Ever consider that some learn slower than others?
GrandPatzerDave wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
CraigIreland wrote:
I can't work out what members most commonly object to, that Niemann was allowed to continue on Chess.com after being caught cheating at least twice or that he was retroactively banned.
For me personally, it's neither. It's how he reacted over 5 dollars at a charity event. Of course he has every right to be upset over 5 dollars at a charity event. But that tells me ALL I need to know about him.
So that's it? You're willing to condemn forever with no possibility of learning or maturation? Have you ever acted a brat on a bad day or reacted impetuously then later learned the lesson? Were there any cameras in your face? Ever consider that some learn slower than others?
Yes, I have thought of that. Maybe it wasn't here, but in the other forum I did say there is a possibility of forgiving and granting leniency. The old saying once a cheater always a cheater seems to be holding true in this case, as he has cheated more than once. And then lied.
So now the bar is much higher. I said in 30 years IF, and that's a big IF, he straightens up, then yes I would say he WAS a cheater, not IS a cheater. He is still a teenager, still making incredibly bad decisions. So we are in the present tense. It's far, far too early to be talking about forgiving and forgetting at this point.
Jeffrey-PlaysChess wrote:
he was young
I think you mean he IS young.
Sep 11, 2022
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lfPatriotGames wrote:
Jeffrey-PlaysChess wrote:
he was young
I think you mean he IS young.
He was even younger hes 19 and he cheated at 12 and 16
Jeffrey-PlaysChess wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Jeffrey-PlaysChess wrote:
he was young
I think you mean he IS young.
He was even younger hes 19 and he cheated at 12 and 16
That we know about. But if the pattern holds true next year should be eventful.
Sep 11, 2022
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DeconanLeBarbaresque wrote:
bezzlebedeviled wrote:
If I were given a nickel for every time I've heard someone claim they're not renewing a subscription over the latest outrageous molehill of a tempest that doesn't affect them personally in the slightest, I'd have enough donations to renew my subscription.
You are not even a paid member.
Yes, I cancelled my paid ms after chess.com removed Hans to show him my support. And I'm not alone.
Do you people know how ridiculous you sound. If yourr caught cheating, your allowed ONE chance. You get ONE do over. The dude openly admitted to cheating twice. And now your all butt hurt that the gave him even ANOTHER chance, which, he apparently blew again by cheating in prize fund tournaments, andd yet they STILL offered to let him come back again for a FOURTH time in the same statement the issued saying they were removing him from the platform, for his lying about the times, and severity of his cheating. yeah, lets all show support for the never ending cheater on chess.com. gaurentee all you people who are "showing support for hans, report 80% of the people you lose to for cheating everyday. But for some reason everyone is rallying around the confessed cheater on this site? Where the LOGIC behind any of this?
Sep 11, 2022
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#77
kids in school cheating at homework and tests seems so common place that when you refuse to participate you're seen as the freak - which is fine parce que c'est moi et c'est chic. it's these same kids who grow up to be 'adults' and 'parents'. suddenly they are all perfect, all grown up and super judgmental. when is it ok to cheat and when is it not? they can't say never as most of them have done it. so then age becomes an excuse. are they not cheating anymore? never cut a line? never found an unfair way to get ahead? the hypocrisy of it all.
sorry, just needed to get that off my heavily medalled chest. not that i condone cheating or not forgiving. false pretense to me is the root of most evil.
idilis wrote:
kids in school cheating at homework and tests seems so common place that when you refuse to participate you're seen as the freak - which is fine parce que c'est moi et c'est chic. it's these same kids who grow up to be 'adults' and 'parents'. suddenly they are all perfect, all grown up and super judgmental. when is it ok to cheat and when is it not? they can't say never as most of them have done it. so then age becomes an excuse. are they not cheating anymore? never cut a line? never found an unfair way to get ahead? the hypocrisy of it all.
sorry, just needed to get that off my heavily medalled chest. not that i condone cheating or not forgiving. false pretense to me is the root of most evil.
Well said. In my opinion it's never ok to cheat, but almost all of us do it. So it comes down to paying the price, accepting the consequences. Mature people accept the consequences. Children say it's not their fault and deserve another chance. And then another chance. And then another chance. And sometimes even another chance.
I think it takes a life changing event to reform a serial cheater. If they don't get caught (and apparently even sometimes when they do get caught) they STILL do it again. Only maturity and CONSEQUENCES can fix a serial cheater. I'm willing to give him 30 years. Judging from his actions the last few years it's going to take at least that long for him to have any chance at reform.
idilis wrote:
kids in school cheating at homework and tests seems so common place that when you refuse to participate you're seen as the freak - which is fine parce que c'est moi et c'est chic. it's these same kids who grow up to be 'adults' and 'parents'. suddenly they are all perfect, all grown up and super judgmental. when is it ok to cheat and when is it not? they can't say never as most of them have done it. so then age becomes an excuse. are they not cheating anymore? never cut a line? never found an unfair way to get ahead? the hypocrisy of it all.
sorry, just needed to get that off my heavily medalled chest. not that i condone cheating or not forgiving. false pretense to me is the root of most evil.
Do you have some data to back this up?
why should they ban Magnus all he did was withdraw from a tournament because he felt something. also chess.com has the right to ban hans cause he has cheated on chess.com before maybe he didn't cheat in the Sinquefield cup but everyone is mad that they banned hans but they did it because hans cheated before on chess.com and all of you think it is because of the game against Magnus.