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robbie_1969 wrote:

 

Not trying to bash you as an artist, I mean, who am I to assume what your intention with this was? I hope that my experience of the piece can be helpful. I'm assuming that since you are an artist, you are used to constructive critique =)

A great artist never explains his work to lesser mortals especially the uninitiated. For example cubism to the uninitiated looks like a doodle made by painters who could not draw. They fail to put it in its historical context and see it as a reaction against photorealism and a return to primitivism, a splitting of the canvas into related elements.  The impressionist were termed fauves 'beasts' by the uninitiated because they failed to perceive that it was light that was paramount and the palate must be heightened and made to transcend nature itself.  Thus through the ages we great artists must leave it to posterity to judge with hindsight what greatness we have achieved.  Greatness that contemporaries failed to appreciate in our own time because the artist was not of this realm, but divinely inspired.

        There is more pretentious tosh talked about some forms of art (cubism, inpressionism, etc.) than anything else, in my experience. A classical example of "The Emperor's New Clothes".

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robbie_1969 wrote:

MuhammadAreez10 is now free! Hes been busted from jail. His friends may rejoice.

Cheers Robbie.  Smile

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Is he, now?
So far all I'm seeing is that he's ridiculously pretentious and stuck so far up his bottom that he couldn't see the way out even if he wanted to.

Do you honestly think that I actually believe my own propaganda?

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kayak21 wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

MuhammadAreez10 is now free! Hes been busted from jail. His friends may rejoice.

Cheers Robbie.  

Dont mention it, anyone else you would like freed?

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        There is more pretentious tosh talked about some forms of art (cubism, inpressionism, etc.) than anything else, in my experience. A classical example of "The Emperor's New Clothes".

Hardly.  One needs to see them in their historical context to appreciate why they are conceptually important.  My own feeling is that cubism was a great idea, it just didn't make for very good paintings, but conceptually it was brilliant.  With modernism we are seeing the emergence of art with intellectual content, prior to this art was largely decorative.

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kaynight wrote:

Or he is on the electric soup.

My illusrtious friend, you know i only drink quality beverages made from the finest grains harvested in that great English county of Gloucestershire!

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robbie_1969 wrote:

        There is more pretentious tosh talked about some forms of art (cubism, inpressionism, etc.) than anything else, in my experience. A classical example of "The Emperor's New Clothes".

Hardly.  One needs to see them in their historical context to appreciate why they are conceptually important.  My own feeling is that cubism was a great idea, it just didn't make for very good paintings, but conceptually it was brilliant.  With modernism we are seeing the emergence of art with intellectual content, prior to this art was largely decorative.

        I should not, perhaps, have mentioned cubism or impressionism. What I would say is I object to being told that a sheep's carcase in formaldehide; a dead shark in a display cabinet - both Damien Hirst; an unmade bed, recently slept in - Tracy Emin, or a pile of bricks arranged in an oblong pattern at the Tate Gallery, are anything other than pretentious nonsense.

        Such things are a confidence trick eagerly swallowed by the modern art establishment. The only efforts I have so far seen by Jackson Pollock, for example, could have been created by a chimpanzee, yet he enjoys the psychophantic adoration of hordes of so called art lovers. I saw a TV documentary about him once and he was shown standing in front of a canvass flicking splashes of paint at it with no recognisable pattern or purpose. This is not art and has no merit. This is what I meant.

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        Such things are a confidence trick eagerly swallowed by the modern art establishment. The only efforts I have so far seen by Jackson Pollock, for example, could have been created by a chimpanzee, yet he enjoys the psychophantic adoration of hordes of so called art lovers. I saw a TV documentary about him once and he was shown standing in front of a canvass flicking splashes of paint at it with no recognisable pattern or purpose. This is not art and has no merit. This is what I meant.

Sure but you have entered the realm of purely conceptual art.  There was an 'artist' near where I live who won a national prize.  His work was a piece of blu-tack on a wall.  Ideas like this I suspect are that the work is intended to be a vehicle for ones own imagination, the artist therefore is supposed to be able to make a much stronger connection with the viewer than providing everything for them.  I cannot say for sure but this appears to me to be the rationale.

I do agree with you though that there is too much pretentiousness.  I remember when I was going for my interview at art school, one of the lecturers when he was discussing my portfolio stated, 'there are no right answers, only right questions'.  I wanted to jump up like a gazelle and slap him about the head.  I thought to myself, if there are no right answers then why are we searching for solutions.  I immediately dismissed his words as those of a madman and left feeling somewhat deflated.

You are standing on philosophical ground, because what indeed is the purpose of art? At first it was narative, paintings on caves etc then imitation of nature was seen as the prime goal, then this was dispensed with as man inserted his will and sought to enter the creative process himself.  Have we deluded ourselves into thinking that its something more than decorative? I would say so.

The Scottish painter Vettriano sells millions of purely decorative prints much to the annoyance of the Art School establishment who view him as somewhat of a charlatan (he's self taught), and yet ladies love the romanticism and he became rich as they hung his prints on their living room walls.  There is another Glasgow painter, she paints tenements, but in my opinion her work is laboured and rather dull and yet she sells lots of prints to the uninitiated who simply want something to hang on their wall. Is such airhead painting really art? Then we have the other side of the spectrum in what you are witnessing with these exhibits that you mention. An attempt to impute intellectual content to a work of art.  The problem is that it may be so intellectual that no one can relate to it in any tangible way and we are left thinking what the heck was that?

Pollock is an interesting example, his concept to mirror a purely mechanical form of art (I believe he somehow hung paint on a string, pushed it and let it make an impression on the canvas)  is perhaps not so far removed from the pop artists like Worhal.  You can see that conceptually its very interesting, to mirror the mechanical mass production and hum drum of the modern era but it makes for very poor paintings in my opinion.

I think it was Socrates who defined the difference between a skill and an art form. The latter being that it was open to experimentation which is completely lacking in a skill.  No one wants their hairdresser to experiment on them, by way of example, they would much rather have their hair cut skilfully rather than artisticly.

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        What I would say as an art "critic" is that the painting which springs to mind as making an "impression" on me, is Van Goch's celebrated depiction of the orchard. It is not just an image of an area of land with fruit trees, but seems to make one feel so much wind swept bleakness and rawness. This is not the only work of his I have admired. I hope I'm not making myself sound too pretentious!

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RG1951 wrote:

        What I would say as an art "critic" is that the painting which springs to mind as making an "impression" on me, is Van Goch's celebrated depiction of the orchard. It is not just an image of an area of land with fruit trees, but seems to make one feel so much wind swept bleakness and rawness. This is not the only work of his I have admired. I hope I'm not making myself sound too pretentious!

No Theo was the special one because his art has a transcendent quality, its eternal and will speak to generations, ultimately because its human and its these human elements that we can relate to.  Gauguin his friend is similar but he's a little more complicated.  Theo has that purity and simplicity which sets his art apart.  There is nothing pretentious about it.

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Is that comment conceptual art?  Are you a minimalist?

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kaynight wrote:

Bet they could not hang wallpaper. Just saying.

Have you ever been to a degree show in Glasgow or Edinburgh art school? You should go there wil be one coming up soon and you will see 'the state of the art' :D

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kaynight wrote:

robbie: As "art" goes, it is state of the art s***.

How would you know K unless you visit places where art is exhibited?

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kaynight wrote:

Have been to galleries in my time . I " get " Turner, Constable, Vettriano etc., but not an unmade bed...

All chocolate box artists whose work would not look out of place on a biscuit tin!

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Ideas are ten a penny. I'm sure I could think up a dozen arty concepts in hour if I had too.  I have more admiration for skill and technique in putting ideas across.

I have a simple criterion for art which works well for me, namely that if I could replicate it, it is almost certainly rubbish.  I have no artistic talent whatsoever.

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GnrfFrtzl wrote:

There was this little story that a hungarian stand up humorist told that when he once was in a contemporary art exhibition, he really needed to answer the call of nature, but all he found was a public toilet near the entrance.
He put his backpack on a nearby bench, next to one of those sitting statues, and when he came back, he found that people were scratching their head, wondering about- and some of them even taking photos of - 'the piece of art'.
 

Well this is the interesting phenomena.  People hang by way of example Monet on their living room walls, French poppy fields with ladies in sun umbrellas painted in pastel shades.  Do they really understand what Monet was trying to achieve when he painted those pictures? Do they really need to understand what he was trying to achieve? absolutely not.  My brother has one and he understands nothing about art, to him its simply pretty picture.  What I am trying to say is that in art there are all kinds of levels of understanding.  Your fictitious friends haphazard approach to art may have resulted in art, but who can say, its open to interpretation and levels of understanding.  It might be the same a Van Goghs empty chair, its not the chair that is important (or in this instance the bench and the backpack) but what is absent from it.  Your fictitious friends backpack on a bench may evoke similar expressions. 

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kaynight wrote:

That is a typical snobbish remark from someone who claims to be an artist.

Its true, what intellectual content does Constable have? or Turner for that matter? Lets not talk of that charlatan Vettriano

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cabbagecrates wrote:

Ideas are ten a penny. I'm sure I could think up a dozen arty concepts in hour if I had too.  I have more admiration for skill and technique in putting ideas across.

I have a simple criterion for art which works well for me, namely that if I could replicate it, it is almost certainly rubbish.  I have no artistic talent whatsoever.

Yes but there is a difference between skill and art, is there not?  Baking cakes is a skill, but is it an art form?

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Art that doesn't require any technical skill or practice? How convenient.

https://www.google.com/search?q=modern+art+gallery&biw=1920&bih=1079&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=JSQhVYHDHsbvsAWR0IBo&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#imgdii=_

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robbie_1969 wrote:

I was talking with a friend from Canada and we agreed that chess is highly addictive.  The great American Morphy himself referred to as a kind of fever, 'chess fever'.  Who of us has not spent a considerable time contemplating some position possibly for hours even days in the case of correspondence chess or engaged in a blitz marathon (I once had my wife bring me breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper to a blitz marathon and man it was awesome) and yet despite beating after beating after beating we come back for more!

As an artist I can appreciate the aesthetics of chess, it is the beautiful game.  Even as a modest chess player one can appreciate beauty of an imaginative combination by way of example.  But I also like Titian and Carravagio and yet I am not addicted to looking at their paintings, well not much.

I thought it might be the confrontation that people enjoy, but even the World champion stated that he likes to avoid confrontation by nature, so I dunno.

Anyone hazard a guess as to why chess is addictive?

Anyone hazard a guess as to why chess is addictive? The search for truth always is.