oregonpatzer wrote:
OP, you should probably avoid going into law or medicine.
he should probably just avoid gettibg out of bed in the morning altogether.
Chess is all about memorization and it's boring
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May 9, 2019
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#23
doyouacceptdraw wrote:
I never said you weren't. On chess.com though, you only play daily chess, which is perfectly fine, by the way, nothing wrong with that. I was just pointing out that one does not need to rely on memorization when playing daily chess because of all the books and databases available.
Slight miscalculation, you are basing your comment on his daily games on chess.com. Suppose on top of chess.com he belonged to a local chess group that meets each week?
this is untrue. memory comes into play only at the very highest levels where razor sharp accuracy is required to come out of the opening alive. at our level it doesn't even matter if we don't know the 5th or 6th move in an opening.
Better we embrace this variant to minimize the memorization factor. Almost all the player's time will be used to be focused on tactic and strategy.
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess960-chess-variants/functional-exchanged-chess
" Chess is all about memorizing moves and counter moves."
This is mostly untrue at any level, and totally untrue below master level. Being able to analyze a position, to make a plan, to calculate tactics; all these things are far more important than relying on memory.
pdve wrote:
this is untrue. memory comes into play only at the very highest levels where razor sharp accuracy is required to come out of the opening alive. at our level it doesn't even matter if we don't know the 5th or 6th move in an opening.
I think that he is not talking about the opening only, but everything. Like pattern recognition, intuition, matting patterns, common tactics, endgames etc.
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dk-Ltd wrote:
pdve wrote:
this is untrue. memory comes into play only at the very highest levels where razor sharp accuracy is required to come out of the opening alive. at our level it doesn't even matter if we don't know the 5th or 6th move in an opening.
I think that he is not talking about the opening only, but everything. Like pattern recognition, intuition, matting patterns, common tactics, endgames etc.
But those are FUN.
May 9, 2019
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#30
It is true to a degree. Opening Preparation and memorization has swallowed up the Classical game at the top level. However, at the club level, it is less important. Mind you, pattern recognition, combinations, sacrifices, also relies on memory to one extent or another.
The game is gradually changing to where Chess960 will be the main. It would be the main right now if not for the resistance from the amateur player. He or she sees no problem with the Classical game and doesn't understand the need for change because they are not forced to recite 20 to 30 moves of theory just to get to the point where each player has to actually play a move that doesn't come from memorization. What I often find comical is that even when the game finally emerges from opening theory many of the GM's are still grasping at memory recall where such and such player played this move. ie; Kasparov played Nf5 on move 29... or was it Re2. For God's sakes man, play what you think it is best!!!!
May 9, 2019
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formatallan wrote:
That's right. Chess is all about memorizing moves and counter moves. There are no openings, or endgames, or tactics. There are a finite amount of moves and the best players are the ones who memorize thousands of counters in their heads. Odds are if you are playing a good player and you make a move, if that player is good he knows the perfect move to make to counter because he has every single possible move memorized in his or her head. That is why I suck so much at chess and will never be good at it. My memory is quite poor and I am unable to memorize thousands of moves. That's why 360 is probably a better game overall, but regular chess blows. The best players in the world all have eidetic memories. There is very little skill in chess, only memorization. That is why chess is boring and stupid. Discuss.
1. Chess is NOT "all about memorization." Chess is about memorization, and understanding "why" a move is made. So many make the mistake that the key to chess is to blindly memorize openings.
2. Humans do not always play "perfect moves." We are not computers, we do not have the ability to process information as fast. This is why humans use candidate moves.
3. "...every single possible move memorized..." Incorrect. Again, humans are not capable of this.
4. "That is why I suck so much at chess and will never be good at it." There are roughly 7.5 billion people on the planet. Roughly 700,000,000 know how to play chess. The fact that you know how the pieces move, means you're a better chess player than roughly 6.8 billion people.
I think its more instinctive than memorization. like the king and rook fork.. easy right we just see it. We dont have to work it out or recall it from a distant memory. I guess in time more moves and combinations feel this way. That's why im not giving up.
May 9, 2019
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#33
To some degree this is true, if a GM was playing a low rated player. However there are more chess game outcomes than there are grains of sand on earth, so only memory based learning would be severely restrictive. It's learning principles and being able to apply it to any given situation that sets the best apart from the rest.
Senator_Blutarsky wrote:
formatallan wrote:
That's right. Chess is all about memorizing moves and counter moves. There are no openings, or endgames, or tactics. There are a finite amount of moves and the best players are the ones who memorize thousands of counters in their heads. Odds are if you are playing a good player and you make a move, if that player is good he knows the perfect move to make to counter because he has every single possible move memorized in his or her head. That is why I suck so much at chess and will never be good at it. My memory is quite poor and I am unable to memorize thousands of moves. That's why 360 is probably a better game overall, but regular chess blows. The best players in the world all have eidetic memories. There is very little skill in chess, only memorization. That is why chess is boring and stupid. Discuss.
this is boring and stupid.
discuss.
No, chess is boring....
.....and you know it....(whispers)
hikarunaku wrote:
No one can memorize all the positions that can occur on the chess board. If it were that simple every engine would play perfect chess. Just imagine when engines like alpha zero and leela haven't solved chess after playing millions of games than how naive is your assumption that chess is all about memorization.
Yes they can, but only a handful. That's why there are so few GMs in the world. Only a handful or however many actually have an eidetic memory.
gkhan516 wrote:
you re idiot
No actually you are the idiot. and you know what you can do....(extends middle finger)
MorphyManiac wrote:
oregonpatzer wrote:
OP, you should probably avoid going into law or medicine.
he should probably just avoid gettibg out of bed in the morning altogether.
Oh god get out of here. I have a life outside of chess that makes me perfectly happy you weirdo. Why do you think I haven't played in a year. I have better things to do with my time.
May 9, 2019
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#38
formatallan wrote:
hikarunaku wrote:
No one can memorize all the positions that can occur on the chess board. If it were that simple every engine would play perfect chess. Just imagine when engines like alpha zero and leela haven't solved chess after playing millions of games than how naive is your assumption that chess is all about memorization.
Yes they can, but only a handful. That's why there are so few GMs in the world. Only a handful or however many actually have an eidetic memory.
You are either trolling or you have no idea about the number of positions that can occur on the chess board.
Chessflyfisher wrote:
formatallan wrote:
That's right. Chess is all about memorizing moves and counter moves. There are no openings, or endgames, or tactics. There are a finite amount of moves and the best players are the ones who memorize thousands of counters in their heads. Odds are if you are playing a good player and you make a move, if that player is good he knows the perfect move to make to counter because he has every single possible move memorized in his or her head. That is why I suck so much at chess and will never be good at it. My memory is quite poor and I am unable to memorize thousands of moves. That's why 360 is probably a better game overall, but regular chess blows. The best players in the world all have eidetic memories. There is very little skill in chess, only memorization. That is why chess is boring and stupid. Discuss.
Leave. Chess is not for you.
I did. I haven't played in a year. It's not that Chess is not for me, it's just boring, and because of some health problems my memory isn't very good.
hikarunaku wrote:
formatallan wrote:
hikarunaku wrote:
No one can memorize all the positions that can occur on the chess board. If it were that simple every engine would play perfect chess. Just imagine when engines like alpha zero and leela haven't solved chess after playing millions of games than how naive is your assumption that chess is all about memorization.
Yes they can, but only a handful. That's why there are so few GMs in the world. Only a handful or however many actually have an eidetic memory.
You are either trolling or you have no idea about the number of positions that can occur on the chess board.
Go sit down and play some 10-year old GM, and then you tell me that kid doesn't have every single move counter move memorized in his head when he wipes the floor with you.
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