Chess is boring! Let's change the rules - Chess Forums - Page 3

Oleg_Kovalcuk

Jan 7, 2024

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#41

the-blonde-cat написал:

he misses when we were all beginners and blunders made the game exciting.

the better you get the more boring the game gets so we need new rules that make it so that the better you get, the more blunders you make.

what, how does that even make sense???
soo magnus carlsen will make 694200 blunders a game while a 100 rated player will make 2?

TheBlueBoy

Jan 7, 2024

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#42

long_quach wrote:

TheBlueBoy wrote:

. . . That's why Bobby Fischer invented RandomChess . . .

1. Re-invented. Putting pieces anywhere behind infantry was already in Burmese chess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sittuyin

2. It is not a good idea to introduce randomness in chess. It already exists in cards and backgammon. Chess is unique in that starting position is the same. Chess is conducive to game recording, i.e. literacy. You cannot record a game of backgammon because the roll of the dice is different at every turn.

Hiya Long_quatch, I'm really interested in your reply. Please don't take this the wrong way. This is not criticisim. You wrote that Chess is conducive to game recording, i.e. literarcy. You also mention backgammon with the roll of the dice is different at every turn. But RandomChess (or Fischer Chess or whatever) even if it has different opening (i.e. random) positions, those random openings would still be recorded and the games would be conducive to literarcy? It just seems to me that so many people study opening theory just to gain an advantage early on to wipe out their opponents. And then, when it comes to the endgame, they splutter out. Look at the recent Woman's World Championship match where the "grandmaster" couldn't complete a king-bishop-knight mate. Thank you for considering my reply, and again, I'm not trying to challenge you or irritate you, just trying to continue the conversation. Thank you.

CleverZoe

Jan 7, 2024

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#43

Change the rules of chess! Change the rules chess! Change the rules of chess!!!

EtienneKCC

Jan 7, 2024

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#44

Fkn hell?!

Caramel00101

Jan 7, 2024

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#45

I like this idea but

You can play this in normal chess too but just a little risky

premio53

Jan 8, 2024

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#46

long_quach wrote:

TheBlueBoy wrote:

. . . That's why Bobby Fischer invented RandomChess . . .

1. Re-invented. Putting pieces anywhere behind infantry was already in Burmese chess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sittuyin

2. It is not a good idea to introduce randomness in chess. It already exists in cards and backgammon. Chess is unique in that starting position is the same. Chess is conducive to game recording, i.e. literacy. You cannot record a game of backgammon because the roll of the dice is different at every turn.

The idea in Fischer-Random is being able to play traditional chess without having to memorize hundreds of opening lines in an attempt to garner a miniscule advantage that mostly results in a draw at the elite level. It isn't a problem at the lower levels though. Backgammon moves are recorded just like chess.

adihdfyhgdt123

Jan 8, 2024

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#47

Pls no I don’t even know how to en peasant

Optimissed

Jan 8, 2024

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#48

You probably like royalty better?

finnsteur

Jan 12, 2024

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#49

Lol

The Idea is mostly to have opposite side castling every game.

Even beginner should know that opposite castle position are the riskier in chess!

Magnus Carlsen avoid those position all the time for a reason.

c4-d4-d4

Jan 13, 2024

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#50

finnsteur wrote:

Competitive chess has been boring for the last 120 years!

In the 1800's high level games were much more spectacular. That's what we used to call "romantic chess".

Anderssen would go back to his grave if he were to see what we've done to his beloved game!

But it wasn't our fault... Our game is inherently flawed. Past a certain level you have to forget gambit and attacks and sacrifice. You have to play boring chess. This is what the rules lead to: "The rules of chess don't care about our romanticism".

But what if one small change of rule could make Romantic chess the RIGHT choice?

Let me introduce you to chess 2.0 : Romantic chess

Black king start in front of the white queen. The position is asymetrical.

White can only castle on the right. Black can only castle on the left.

Every game become an opposite side castle.

I've done extensive testing with stockfish this way of playing is both balanced and crazy.

So let's change the rules: You cannot play boring if the right move is the exciting one.

I like this! Cool!

premio53

Jan 13, 2024

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#51

long_quach wrote:

premio53 wrote:

Backgammon moves are recorded just like chess.

Show me a book of recorded backgammon games, like chess.

Who played who?

When and where?

Just like chess.

You said, "You cannot record a game of backgammon because the roll of the dice is different at every turn." I was simply pointing out that was wrong. Kent Goulding published books of recorded matches between top players though that isn't a common thing as in chess.

https://www.amazon.com/Backgammon-Champions-Vol-II-No/dp/B00JSM0CNG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2932GO5R8SX5H&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-HkfdpkVbiLW5SwNIz5mCPpvAiaJZa7kVYCEf0IiL3b1eaylh0z-xtcFv78GhgXzc7NQRxAq6efUhacJke8fSeKGroQNzRV7-vrx_banA-xZHNJpO77kmQ5G0tiWoNl7zf9EApCg2buUGUwuJvDQqQ.mOul6Cg-_y1niqQZcdzgozp7wde-Ag1pFaZfk6DWUPI&dib_tag=se&keywords=Backgammon+with+the+Champions&qid=1705175366&sprefix=backgammon+with+the+champions%2Caps%2C120&sr=8-4

Of course backgammon is a completely different game than chess. There have been master chess players who left chess and became backgammon champions such as Bill Robertie and Paul Magriel.

premio53

Jan 13, 2024

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#52

long_quach wrote:

premio53 wrote:

You said, "You cannot record a game of backgammon because the roll of the dice is different at every turn." I was simply pointing out that was wrong.

First, thanks for pointing to a book, a real book.

Think a little. Of course you can record it. It is pointless to record it

because the roll of the dice is different at every turn.

It's not like chess. Oh you made a wrong move here, take back the moves from a computer and try a different path.

No. Sometimes the desperate mathematically "wrong" move will win you the game, if "Luck be a Lady, tonight.".

It is like chess and there are thousands of backgammon books just like chess with computer analysis of wrong moves and a different path to take. The top engines in backgammon have surpassed the top human players just like in chess although it is still possible for the top human players to still win a match against them. Backgammon is a great alternative to those chess players who are looking for something exciting that also requires much skill. There are also grandmasters in backgammon.

https://usbgf.org/how-points-are-calculated/how-usbgf-master-points-are-calculated/

premio53

Jan 13, 2024

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#53

long_quach wrote:

premio53 wrote:

You said, "You cannot record a game of backgammon because the roll of the dice is different at every turn." I was simply pointing out that was wrong.

Of course you can record it.

Here is an electronic machine that can record the roulette spin. Only to give the illusion that "red" is due to show up.

It is pointless to record it.

Roulette is a game of luck and there is no point of recording moves to study. Backgammon requires much skill and can be studied just like chess.

premio53

Jan 13, 2024

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#54

long_quach wrote:

premio53 wrote:

Backgammon is a great alternative to those chess players who are looking for something exciting

Backgammon is a great game.

I said Backgammon should be played as a triathlon.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/chess-is-boring-lets-change-the-rules?page=1#comment-98612251

It may have an interest for some people but I believe most would rather stick to one category as opposed to mixing diffferent games together.

premio53

Jan 13, 2024

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#55

long_quach wrote:

premio53 wrote:

long_quach wrote:

premio53 wrote:

Backgammon is a great alternative to those chess players who are looking for something exciting

Backgammon is a great game.

I said Backgammon should be played as a triathlon.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/chess-is-boring-lets-change-the-rules?page=1#comment-98612251

It may have an interest for some people but I believe most would rather stick to one category as opposed to mixing diffferent games together.

I honestly think a triathlon of game is viable.

You yourself said "Backgammon is a great alternative to those chess players."

And people want to change the rules of Western chess, most of which are already in Chinese chess.

Why not have a Triathlon?

I won't argue with that but Fischer Random would be a way to get rid of the "boring" aspect of chess while retaining the basic rules including castling. I'm very much excited to see how the Fischer Random Super Tournament in Germany will turn out with super GM's competing including Magnus Carlsen and Ding Liren who is the current champion.

https://en.chessbase.com/post/freestyle-super-tournament-in-germany-seven-top-players-challenge-carlsen

Morkar_the_Northman

Jan 13, 2024

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#56

finnsteur wrote:

Competitive chess has been boring for the last 120 years!

So let's change the rules: You cannot play boring if the right move is the exciting one.

I sure do appreciate an original thinker. A breath of fresh air in the stagnant chess world.

Your actual idea sounds like fun, though it may also get boring-ish once the theory is mastered.

I recently posted an idea for a simple 4-player 4-color team variant with the most amazing co-op, which I believe to be the most exciting format that could be played on a chessboard. I just added on IJKLMNOP squares to the board; bottom two allied, and top two allied. If you're interested in its gameplay rules, you can find it near the top of the 'chess news' forums, under 'The greatest thing since Bobby Fischer.'

premio53

Jan 13, 2024

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#57

long_quach wrote:

premio53 wrote:

long_quach wrote:

premio53 wrote:

long_quach wrote:

premio53 wrote:

Backgammon is a great alternative to those chess players who are looking for something exciting

Backgammon is a great game.

I said Backgammon should be played as a triathlon.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/chess-is-boring-lets-change-the-rules?page=1#comment-98612251

It may have an interest for some people but I believe most would rather stick to one category as opposed to mixing diffferent games together.

I honestly think a triathlon of game is viable.

You yourself said "Backgammon is a great alternative to those chess players."

And people want to change the rules of Western chess, most of which are already in Chinese chess.

Why not have a Triathlon?

I won't argue with that but Fischer Random would be a way to get rid of the "boring" aspect of chess while retaining the basic rules including castling.

Here's the beauty and genius of my idea.

You don't have to invent another game, like Fischer Random Chess.

The games are perfect as they are.

Just play 3 of them in a Triathlon.

You don't have to change anything!

I hear you but that wouldn't get rid of the "boring" aspect of memorizing hundreds of opening moves in classical western chess. The boring part is what people are trying to change and Fischer Random does just that.

Jenium

Jan 13, 2024

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#58

finnsteur wrote:

So let's change the rules: You cannot play boring if the right move is the exciting one.

Or you could simply go watching the under 1600 sections. Plenty of "romantic" chess there...

BlunderMaster-123

Jan 13, 2024

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#59

With the advent of chess engines, chess is becoming dull due to these memorized theories.

Therefore, I propose the newly evolved chess should be like this:

Still 8x8 board
There are 2 Kings. Player wins by checkmating either of the 2 Kings.
We need 2 Rooks for the 2 Kings to castle in.
The "Queen-side King" can castle with 1 square (rook lands on c1 and c8).
Only 1 Knight because it can go to any squares anyway.
Still 2 Bishops for light and dark squares (bishops positioned to b1, g1, b8, g8 to match the square colors)

Thoughts?

Oleg_Kovalcuk

Jan 13, 2024

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#60

WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO INVENT NEW CHESS?!