HolographWars wrote:
It’ll be a long, long time before chess is solved. Our current machines are not even close.
Not according to low rated players :-)
Chess is dead, thanks computers
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Low rated players like the thread maker, are just expressing their anger with the threads. They don't mean it prolly. Leave it. These guys are weird
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
I remember years ago there was a guy that was selling his chess books on how to beat stockfish on amazon. He claimed to be an Expert class player and discovered the "secret" to beating the strongest chess engines.
Ah. Lyudmil Tsvetkov. Rating of around 2100 OTB, I believe. Which is ... not bad. But not great, either.
Certainly not a "only human on Earth capable of demolishing Stockfish" level of play ...
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MaetsNori wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo wrote:
I remember years ago there was a guy that was selling his chess books on how to beat stockfish on amazon. He claimed to be an Expert class player and discovered the "secret" to beating the strongest chess engines.
Ah. Lyudmil Tsvetkov. Rating of around 2100 OTB, I believe. Which is ... not bad. But not great, either.
Certainly not a "only human on Earth capable of demolishing Stockfish" level of play ...
The name sounds very familiar so I had to look it up and yep thats him.
OP has some sort of point. It's not just lower rated players - Wesley So said recently that the people who invented computer engines are guilty of "crimes against humanity" and Hikaru has sometimes said comments to the effect of "before computers ruined everything".
Just think about how much of a mystery chess was historically, and how they humans through trial and error, through multiple generations, through being put to the test over the board or sometimes correspondance... and over several centuries we came up with the current openings, it was really a collaborative effort, passed on through the ages... all to be blown away by stockfish.
If you wanted to analyze your games in the old days, you were on your own, and you would always have been looking for that eureka moment, you would always have been looking at books or chess informants was a huge thing back in the day.
Sure studying using computer analysis isn't perfect, but at least 90%+ of the time, if you know the basic principles open files, piece mobility etc., the computer will be able to tell you exactly where you went wrong and what you should have done instead.
The only bright side is that most openings had already been worked out anyway by the time computers came along. It would be a lot more harmful if they had arrived in the early 1900s.
So while chess isn't "dead" the mystery of it has been taken out of it.
It’ll be a long, long time before chess is solved. Our current machines are not even close.