Chess is just a Game of luck

But what I'm saying is that skill is also a form of luck.

Therefore, in the end, the result in chess is always determined by luck.

depends on the situation just cause there's some luck in a game doesn't mean that the game was won because of luck u still have to see the tactic if you get lucky and don't see the right move you might have as well not got the winning advantage in the first place

How is skill gained through luck?

with good genetics (an efficient brain) or having free time to study chess.

If your definition of luck is vague enough, then everything is luck.

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of course everything is luck .

That’s why what 'mathematicians' say about the lottery being a tax on the poor or the foolish is a fallacy, because statistical probability is a fallacy from the start since everything is predetermined. Therefore, we can never claim that we have a 50% chance of winning.

There is no such thing; you either have a 100% chance or a 0% chance.

We do not know the future, so we speculate and play chess for the illusion of 'winning the lottery' in every game we play.

ugg genetics is only part of it goof even with good genes there are just as many people with those"good genes" you have to compete against anyway so it doesn't matter that much in the grand scheme of things and even then genes still don't determine everything how you learn chess from the start is also important if you learn chess a bad way you could stagnate alot more even if your so called "good genes " exist .

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"There is no such thing; you either have a 100% chance or a 0% chance." I think you need to take a statistics class that is literally 50% (close to)chance of winning the outcome is only 100% or zero percent AFTER it happens not before besides I doubt we know enough about the universe to say there is no choice at all e(even if) everything is predetermined . since random generation could turn out to have a chance to randomly generate something that can chose on its own .... we do not know enough about the universe even if its pre determined to say exactly what makes up every single action

When I refer to 'good genes,' I mean the brain's capacity of each individual.

For example, Magnus has the best brain in history for a chess player because he has an impressive memory.

Even at his elite level, no one has that incredible ability to remember past games, to recall patterns he might have studied 20 years ago.

No matter how hard the great Hans Niemann tries, he will never reach the level of the Norwegian

Niemann doesn't have the luck of having superior genetics like Carlsen

ah yes bullet=luck till higher levels agreed

why would hans neimann need to get to the level of Magnus he already got the compliment of Magnus calling him a cheater since hans beat him besides hans neimann is actually fairly close even tho he's like 10 years younger its not completely unrealistic to say Hans could get better than Magnus at some point even if its unlikely he still has ten years of practice to catch up on

Another forum ended up again with classical "everything is predetermined" vs "everything is random"

if randomness is predetermined it still kinda random :/ it just changes the nature of the randomness its likely something in between if I had to guess

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OP I feel like you are mixing up blind luck with probability. I might just be a silly internet red panda, but seems to me that a complete beginner would have like a 0.001% probability of beating an expert. But by studying and trying to improve your chess, your probability of winning would exponentially increase.

Also, why am I explaining that to someone with an elo of 2600? If you believe chess is luck based, why did you even bother to play so much of it? A player of my rating would have almost no chance of winning against you, unless you were having a really off day or distracted. And at that point, is it really luck that dictates that I can win?

> I feel like you are mixing up luck with probability

Sure, every forum about luck in chess is about probability indeed

Luck is part of probability naturally .... Though having a 50/50 or a 53/47 win rate is not luck ...

Probability is just the numerical representation of luck

I play chess for entertainment like most people.

But it is true that I stopped playing poker due to my discovery of determinism

Yes luck dictates you win or lose , all the time

Okay. I go to a casino and play the slots. There's no skill there. I have a fixed probability. Chess isn't a fixed probability. I can increase my probability through playing more games, studying, puzzles, etc. Therefore it isn't all luck. Skill is a factor.