Chess is just a Game of luck

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jcidus
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Chess, the game itself, is not luck based. It's skill based. Build up ideas, learn, etc, and you'll improve. Improvement comes from gaining skill, and gaining skill comes through learning.

But what I'm saying is that skill is also a form of luck.

Therefore, in the end, the result in chess is always determined by luck.

How is skill gained through luck?

with good genetics (an efficient brain) or having free time to study chess.

with enough effort anyone can improve their chess and their mind simultaneously. free time is on you, clean your itinerary if you want to improve.

Free time doesn’t depend on you if you’re not a millionaire and you have to work to pay the rent.

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if they played a quadrillion games, do u really think magnus would lose to a 100 elo player.

Probably, Because the 100 elo player will have a quadrillion games to improve with. With the worlds best player. That's like, Super training. I bet it won't take 10k games to train up to get a win!

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jcidus wrote:
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Chess, the game itself, is not luck based. It's skill based. Build up ideas, learn, etc, and you'll improve. Improvement comes from gaining skill, and gaining skill comes through learning.

But what I'm saying is that skill is also a form of luck.

Therefore, in the end, the result in chess is always determined by luck.

How is skill gained through luck?

with good genetics (an efficient brain) or having free time to study chess.

with enough effort anyone can improve their chess and their mind simultaneously. free time is on you, clean your itinerary if you want to improve.

Free time doesn’t depend on you if you’re not a millionaire and you have to work to pay the rent.

free time isn't as luck based as you make it out to be...
you have days off for work or school, a set schedule
you have free time when you're at home lying around watching tv
never said you need to be a millionaire

BigChessplayer665
jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:

Chess, the game itself, is not luck based. It's skill based. Build up ideas, learn, etc, and you'll improve. Improvement comes from gaining skill, and gaining skill comes through learning.

But what I'm saying is that skill is also a form of luck.

Therefore, in the end, the result in chess is always determined by luck.

How is skill gained through luck?

with good genetics (an efficient brain) or having free time to study chess.

with enough effort anyone can improve their chess and their mind simultaneously. free time is on you, clean your itinerary if you want to improve.

Free time doesn’t depend on you if you’re not a millionaire and you have to work to pay the rent.

You can find an hour a day to practice lol even if you work you can practice just not endless hours (also you usually don't need more than an hour or two worth of practice a day to get better at something )

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:

Chess, the game itself, is not luck based. It's skill based. Build up ideas, learn, etc, and you'll improve. Improvement comes from gaining skill, and gaining skill comes through learning.

But what I'm saying is that skill is also a form of luck.

Therefore, in the end, the result in chess is always determined by luck.

How is skill gained through luck?

with good genetics (an efficient brain) or having free time to study chess.

with enough effort anyone can improve their chess and their mind simultaneously. free time is on you, clean your itinerary if you want to improve.

Free time doesn’t depend on you if you’re not a millionaire and you have to work to pay the rent.

You can find an hour a day to practice lol even if you work you can practice just not endless hours (also you usually don't need more than an hour or two worth of practice a day to get better at something )

even reading a book on your 15 minute break is a form of gaining skill.

jcidus
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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:

Chess, the game itself, is not luck based. It's skill based. Build up ideas, learn, etc, and you'll improve. Improvement comes from gaining skill, and gaining skill comes through learning.

But what I'm saying is that skill is also a form of luck.

Therefore, in the end, the result in chess is always determined by luck.

How is skill gained through luck?

with good genetics (an efficient brain) or having free time to study chess.

with enough effort anyone can improve their chess and their mind simultaneously. free time is on you, clean your itinerary if you want to improve.

Free time doesn’t depend on you if you’re not a millionaire and you have to work to pay the rent.

You can find an hour a day to practice lol even if you work you can practice just not endless hours (also you usually don't need more than an hour or two worth of practice a day to get better at something )

even reading a book on your 15 minute break is a form of gaining skill.

wrong , a waste of time read a book to learn anything

Read the Lem's law

"No one reads; if someone does read, he doesn't understand; if he understands, he immediately forgets"

jcidus
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jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:
jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:

Chess, the game itself, is not luck based. It's skill based. Build up ideas, learn, etc, and you'll improve. Improvement comes from gaining skill, and gaining skill comes through learning.

But what I'm saying is that skill is also a form of luck.

Therefore, in the end, the result in chess is always determined by luck.

How is skill gained through luck?

with good genetics (an efficient brain) or having free time to study chess.

with enough effort anyone can improve their chess and their mind simultaneously. free time is on you, clean your itinerary if you want to improve.

Free time doesn’t depend on you if you’re not a millionaire and you have to work to pay the rent.

You can find an hour a day to practice lol even if you work you can practice just not endless hours (also you usually don't need more than an hour or two worth of practice a day to get better at something )

I only study crap openings to surprise my opponents, but then I forget everything when I haven't studied anything for a month. I don't have as privileged a memory as Carlsen, for example.

BigChessplayer665
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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:

Chess, the game itself, is not luck based. It's skill based. Build up ideas, learn, etc, and you'll improve. Improvement comes from gaining skill, and gaining skill comes through learning.

But what I'm saying is that skill is also a form of luck.

Therefore, in the end, the result in chess is always determined by luck.

How is skill gained through luck?

with good genetics (an efficient brain) or having free time to study chess.

with enough effort anyone can improve their chess and their mind simultaneously. free time is on you, clean your itinerary if you want to improve.

Free time doesn’t depend on you if you’re not a millionaire and you have to work to pay the rent.

You can find an hour a day to practice lol even if you work you can practice just not endless hours (also you usually don't need more than an hour or two worth of practice a day to get better at something )

even reading a book on your 15 minute break is a form of gaining skill.

wrong , a waste of time read a book to learn anything

Read the Lem's law

"No one reads; if someone does read, he doesn't understand; if he understands, he immediately forgets"

Actually reading is incredibly helpful lol but you still have to practice you goof and it also depends what you read plus to remember something a good chunk of the time you have to repeat it (not all the time just most) that's why PRACTICE is important

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jcidus wrote:
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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:

Chess, the game itself, is not luck based. It's skill based. Build up ideas, learn, etc, and you'll improve. Improvement comes from gaining skill, and gaining skill comes through learning.

But what I'm saying is that skill is also a form of luck.

Therefore, in the end, the result in chess is always determined by luck.

How is skill gained through luck?

with good genetics (an efficient brain) or having free time to study chess.

with enough effort anyone can improve their chess and their mind simultaneously. free time is on you, clean your itinerary if you want to improve.

Free time doesn’t depend on you if you’re not a millionaire and you have to work to pay the rent.

You can find an hour a day to practice lol even if you work you can practice just not endless hours (also you usually don't need more than an hour or two worth of practice a day to get better at something )

even reading a book on your 15 minute break is a form of gaining skill.

wrong , a waste of time read a book to learn anything

Read the Lem's law

"No one reads; if someone does read, he doesn't understand; if he understands, he immediately forgets"

so just because a philosopher/sci-fi writer says it, means that it is immediately true?

jcidus
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jcidus wrote:
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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:
jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:

Chess, the game itself, is not luck based. It's skill based. Build up ideas, learn, etc, and you'll improve. Improvement comes from gaining skill, and gaining skill comes through learning.

But what I'm saying is that skill is also a form of luck.

Therefore, in the end, the result in chess is always determined by luck.

How is skill gained through luck?

with good genetics (an efficient brain) or having free time to study chess.

with enough effort anyone can improve their chess and their mind simultaneously. free time is on you, clean your itinerary if you want to improve.

Free time doesn’t depend on you if you’re not a millionaire and you have to work to pay the rent.

You can find an hour a day to practice lol even if you work you can practice just not endless hours (also you usually don't need more than an hour or two worth of practice a day to get better at something )

even reading a book on your 15 minute break is a form of gaining skill.

wrong , a waste of time read a book to learn anything

Read the Lem's law

"No one reads; if someone does read, he doesn't understand; if he understands, he immediately forgets"

so just because a philosopher/sci-fi writer says it, means that it is immediately true?

It is true

A friend of mine has been reading chess books his whole life and he can't get past an Elo of 1700.

BigChessplayer665
jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:
jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:

Chess, the game itself, is not luck based. It's skill based. Build up ideas, learn, etc, and you'll improve. Improvement comes from gaining skill, and gaining skill comes through learning.

But what I'm saying is that skill is also a form of luck.

Therefore, in the end, the result in chess is always determined by luck.

How is skill gained through luck?

with good genetics (an efficient brain) or having free time to study chess.

with enough effort anyone can improve their chess and their mind simultaneously. free time is on you, clean your itinerary if you want to improve.

Free time doesn’t depend on you if you’re not a millionaire and you have to work to pay the rent.

You can find an hour a day to practice lol even if you work you can practice just not endless hours (also you usually don't need more than an hour or two worth of practice a day to get better at something )

even reading a book on your 15 minute break is a form of gaining skill.

wrong , a waste of time read a book to learn anything

Read the Lem's law

"No one reads; if someone does read, he doesn't understand; if he understands, he immediately forgets"

so just because a philosopher/sci-fi writer says it, means that it is immediately true?

It is true

A friend of mine has been reading chess books his whole life and he can't get past an Elo of 1700.

That just means he's been learning wrong nothing about reading obviously you can't just read practice is important ... Not that it isnt helpful plus your talking about a game that's about pattern recognition repeating is the best for that

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jcidus wrote:
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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
jcidus wrote:
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jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:
jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:

Chess, the game itself, is not luck based. It's skill based. Build up ideas, learn, etc, and you'll improve. Improvement comes from gaining skill, and gaining skill comes through learning.

But what I'm saying is that skill is also a form of luck.

Therefore, in the end, the result in chess is always determined by luck.

How is skill gained through luck?

with good genetics (an efficient brain) or having free time to study chess.

with enough effort anyone can improve their chess and their mind simultaneously. free time is on you, clean your itinerary if you want to improve.

Free time doesn’t depend on you if you’re not a millionaire and you have to work to pay the rent.

You can find an hour a day to practice lol even if you work you can practice just not endless hours (also you usually don't need more than an hour or two worth of practice a day to get better at something )

even reading a book on your 15 minute break is a form of gaining skill.

wrong , a waste of time read a book to learn anything

Read the Lem's law

"No one reads; if someone does read, he doesn't understand; if he understands, he immediately forgets"

so just because a philosopher/sci-fi writer says it, means that it is immediately true?

It is true

A friend of mine has been reading chess books his whole life and he can't get past an Elo of 1700.

everyone learns differently; some auditorily, others through reading, others through sight. your friend should try something else. that doesn't mean that nobody does not learn through reading. clearly your friend has improved through reading.

Sobrukai

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

jcidus

I don't know who the idiots are who are downvoting my initial message.

Einstein was right, human stupidity is infinite, not the universe, which is closed, finite, and deterministic.

jcidus
Sobrukai escribió:

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

ps :

Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic

BigChessplayer665
jcidus wrote:

I don't know who the idiots are who are downvoting my initial message.

Einstein was right, human stupidity is infinite, not the universe, which is closed, finite, and deterministic.

Even if it's deterministic that means luck is even less of a factor as it's going to happen no matter what and by your reasoning doesn't really exist

BigChessplayer665
jcidus wrote:
Sobrukai escribió:

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

Here's the thing is it really a good idea to chose 100% of your actions on your own everyday obviously habits exist :/ that doesn't mean you can't change them but it does take time and effort

BigChessplayer665
jcidus wrote:

I don't know who the idiots are who are downvoting my initial message.

Einstein was right, human stupidity is infinite, not the universe, which is closed, finite, and deterministic.

You started an argument most people disagree with it's kinda your own fault maybe you should look at your own so called "human stupidity "(not saying your actually stupid btw)

jcidus
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jcidus wrote:
Sobrukai escribió:

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

Here's the thing is it really a good idea to chose 100% of your actions on your own everyday obviously habits exist :/ that doesn't mean you can't change them

Nobody chooses anything

The universe is like a bomb that exploded in the Big Bang 13 billion years ago, and we are the particles of that bomb that are expanding

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jcidus wrote:
Sobrukai escribió:

If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.

Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.

Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown

ps :

Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic

so you think everything is predetermined from the start?