Chess is just a Game of luck
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wlee41814
Mar 28, 2025
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#121
Chess is skill
jcidus wrote:
BigChessplayer665 escribió:
jcidus wrote:
BigChessplayer665 escribió:
jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:
jcidus wrote:
Sobrukai escribió:
If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.
Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.
Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown
ps :
Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic
so you think everything is predetermined from the start?
It’s not that I think or believe it, I am certain that everything is predetermined.
Three years ago, I wrote a book and demonstrated that an event would happen 9 months before it actually occurred.
I predicted that event based on the study of gematria, the study of basic mathematics
Considering humans are illogical saying that you support only logical ideals like predeterminism is kinda a fallicy physics is still like a baby (maybe like a 3 year old child ) for now I highly doubt we know enough to determine the laws of the universe
There are scientists who have proven that everything is determined through neuroscience experiments.
I myself have proven it through my book, predicting an event through mathematics that would happen 9 months after I wrote that book
Yes yes I know the issue with neuroscience is outside factors influence it also it honestly depends I doubt we truly know that much about nuroscience yet even if it doesn't seem like free will we can still tweak it yes you can predict something that will happen in the future it depends the issue is we know a lot less then we think we do assuming everysyhings predetermined might be a rushed decision
If you want, I can show you the simple way I came to the understanding and certainty that free will doesn't exist. I found numerological and mathematical patterns in nature and in events like terrorist attacks, where certain numbers clearly repeat in an incredible way.
These patterns prove that our reality follows a perfect mathematical order, and that order can be read through the study of gematria and basic numerology
though, of course, the official academic world does not recognize these truths yet. Maybe in 10 or 20 years, but anyway, I can explain to you how I arrived at this conclusion if you're interested.
It is quite clear this is an elaborate troll, not a very funny one, please avoid...
this is just a joke right?
OctopusOnSteroids escribió:
jcidus wrote:
BigChessplayer665 escribió:
jcidus wrote:
BigChessplayer665 escribió:
jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:
jcidus wrote:
Sobrukai escribió:
If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.
Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.
Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown
ps :
Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic
so you think everything is predetermined from the start?
It’s not that I think or believe it, I am certain that everything is predetermined.
Three years ago, I wrote a book and demonstrated that an event would happen 9 months before it actually occurred.
I predicted that event based on the study of gematria, the study of basic mathematics
Considering humans are illogical saying that you support only logical ideals like predeterminism is kinda a fallicy physics is still like a baby (maybe like a 3 year old child ) for now I highly doubt we know enough to determine the laws of the universe
There are scientists who have proven that everything is determined through neuroscience experiments.
I myself have proven it through my book, predicting an event through mathematics that would happen 9 months after I wrote that book
Yes yes I know the issue with neuroscience is outside factors influence it also it honestly depends I doubt we truly know that much about nuroscience yet even if it doesn't seem like free will we can still tweak it yes you can predict something that will happen in the future it depends the issue is we know a lot less then we think we do assuming everysyhings predetermined might be a rushed decision
If you want, I can show you the simple way I came to the understanding and certainty that free will doesn't exist. I found numerological and mathematical patterns in nature and in events like terrorist attacks, where certain numbers clearly repeat in an incredible way.
These patterns prove that our reality follows a perfect mathematical order, and that order can be read through the study of gematria and basic numerology
though, of course, the official academic world does not recognize these truths yet. Maybe in 10 or 20 years, but anyway, I can explain to you how I arrived at this conclusion if you're interested.
It is quite clear this is an elaborate troll, not a very funny one, please avoid...
The troll is you. I can provide arguments and proofs for everything I'm saying.
If you don't know what to say, it's better to stay silent
wlee41814 escribió:
Chess is skill
skill is a way of luck, we have already refuted it.
Mar 28, 2025
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#126
jcidus wrote:
Martin_Stahl escribió:
If your definition of luck is vague enough, then everything is luck.
🤔
of course everything is luck .
That’s why what 'mathematicians' say about the lottery being a tax on the poor or the foolish is a fallacy, because statistical probability is a fallacy from the start since everything is predetermined. Therefore, we can never claim that we have a 50% chance of winning.
There is no such thing; you either have a 100% chance or a 0% chance.
We do not know the future, so we speculate and play chess for the illusion of 'winning the lottery' in every game we play.
That isn't even close to the realm of reality or what mathematicians (or physicists) say. I mean there might be some that do but then they're not very good at it. 
Mar 28, 2025
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#127
jcidus wrote:
In reality, the game itself has no element of chance, but the outcome is already determined by a series of prior factors, over which we have no control
The process of improvement doesn't only depend on effort, as everything is conditioned by factors beyond our control
If you take a player new to the game, teach them the rules, and they just play, with not study or discussion of games with their opponents, they are going to get very good at the game. If they study and practice, they will get better, though there is likely an upper limit for many people based on outside factors (which may or may not have anything to do with luck).
There are likely some very rare individuals that can get very good just by playing but they would very likely improve much more quickly by study and working at it.
Effort most certainly matters.
Martin_Stahl escribió:
jcidus wrote:
In reality, the game itself has no element of chance, but the outcome is already determined by a series of prior factors, over which we have no control
The process of improvement doesn't only depend on effort, as everything is conditioned by factors beyond our control
If you take a player new to the game, teach them the rules, and they just play, with not study or discussion of games with their opponents, they are going to get very good at the game. If they study and practice, they will get better, though there is likely an upper limit for many people based on outside factors (which may or may not have anything to do with luck).
There are likely some very rare individuals that can get very good just by playing but they would very likely improve much more quickly by study and working at it.
Effort most certainly matters.
Effort always matters, but luck determines everything.
I recommend the Woody Allen movie, "Match Point," (2005) they talk a bit about this issue of luck.
Mar 28, 2025
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#129
jcidus wrote:
Effort always matters, but luck determines everything.
I recommend the Woody Allen movie, "Match Point," (2005) they talk a bit about this issue of luck.
Again, given the widest definition of luck ... maybe. It's lucky I was born when I was was, had the opportunities I did, haven't yet suffered random catastrophe, etc. The intersections of my choices (which are neither random or based on luck) are certainly influenced by the interaction between other members of society I have interactions with. Those things are not pre-determined. Things may be deterministic based on societal norms, cognitive shortcuts the brain uses, etc that impact the probabilities but they do not make the determinations.
Martin_Stahl escribió:
jcidus wrote:
Effort always matters, but luck determines everything.
I recommend the Woody Allen movie, "Match Point," (2005) they talk a bit about this issue of luck.
Again, given the widest definition of luck ... maybe. It's lucky I was born when I was was, had the opportunities I did, haven't yet suffered random catastrophe, etc. The intersections of my choices (which are neither random or based on luck) are certainly influenced by the interaction between other members of society I have interactions with. Those things are not pre-determined. Things may be deterministic based on societal norms, cognitive shortcuts the brain uses, etc that impact the probabilities but they do not make the determinations.
Everything is predetermined whether you like it or not, and the exact day and time of your death is already determined just as the day and time you were born was. It's not very hard to understand, it's pure common sense.
Martin_Stahl wrote:
jcidus wrote:
Martin_Stahl escribió:
If your definition of luck is vague enough, then everything is luck.
🤔
of course everything is luck .
That’s why what 'mathematicians' say about the lottery being a tax on the poor or the foolish is a fallacy, because statistical probability is a fallacy from the start since everything is predetermined. Therefore, we can never claim that we have a 50% chance of winning.
There is no such thing; you either have a 100% chance or a 0% chance.
We do not know the future, so we speculate and play chess for the illusion of 'winning the lottery' in every game we play.
That isn't even close to the realm of reality or what mathematicians (or physicists) say. I mean there might be some that do but then they're not very good at it.
I feel like most mathematicians would say we have no idea he's trying to argue what feels like randomness vs deterministic which we both can't tell but idk I could be remembering wrong
jcidus wrote:
Martin_Stahl escribió:
jcidus wrote:
Effort always matters, but luck determines everything.
I recommend the Woody Allen movie, "Match Point," (2005) they talk a bit about this issue of luck.
Again, given the widest definition of luck ... maybe. It's lucky I was born when I was was, had the opportunities I did, haven't yet suffered random catastrophe, etc. The intersections of my choices (which are neither random or based on luck) are certainly influenced by the interaction between other members of society I have interactions with. Those things are not pre-determined. Things may be deterministic based on societal norms, cognitive shortcuts the brain uses, etc that impact the probabilities but they do not make the determinations.
Everything is predetermined whether you like it or not, and the exact day and time of your death is already determined just as the day and time you were born was. It's not very hard to understand, it's pure common sense.
But how it's determined changes the very fundamental nature for if it's deterministic or not and how it is you can't really make a rock solid argument without it sure you can make an ok argument but not 100% provable making that decision without understanding the nature of how it works is a big mistake especially in the realm of mathematics and science you can make assumptions based on other things like proving evolution without knowing what the start is but this is different as it's talking about the laws of the universe it's likely that we will mess up with one or two things that have very big impacts (ex dark matter ) which we have no idea what it is or dark energy(which may not actually exist ) ps: humans don't do common sense arguing that it is makes it seem even more nieve common sense isn't an argument
Mar 28, 2025
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#133
Just stop y'all. OP isn't interested in a chess discussion. It's a philosophy lecture.
HeckinSprout wrote:
Just stop y'all. OP isn't interested in a chess discussion. It's a philosophy lecture.
Shhh we all need to correct him in the tiniest details until he leaves even if we are wrong it would be really funny
Mar 28, 2025
0
#135
the only luck in chess is that has a 1% higher winner rate thats it 1% higher is winnable for black Chess is full of strategy tactics an open mindset learning and thousends of stuff not luck at all it can feel like you get a lucky win but its not luck at all
BigChessplayer665 escribió:
jcidus wrote:
Martin_Stahl escribió:
jcidus wrote:
Effort always matters, but luck determines everything.
I recommend the Woody Allen movie, "Match Point," (2005) they talk a bit about this issue of luck.
Again, given the widest definition of luck ... maybe. It's lucky I was born when I was was, had the opportunities I did, haven't yet suffered random catastrophe, etc. The intersections of my choices (which are neither random or based on luck) are certainly influenced by the interaction between other members of society I have interactions with. Those things are not pre-determined. Things may be deterministic based on societal norms, cognitive shortcuts the brain uses, etc that impact the probabilities but they do not make the determinations.
Everything is predetermined whether you like it or not, and the exact day and time of your death is already determined just as the day and time you were born was. It's not very hard to understand, it's pure common sense.
But how it's determined changes the very fundamental nature for if it's deterministic or not and how it is you can't really make a rock solid argument without it sure you can make an ok argument but not 100% provable making that decision without understanding the nature of how it works is a big mistake especially in the realm of mathematics and science you can make assumptions based on other things like proving evolution without knowing what the start is but this is different as it's talking about the laws of the universe it's likely that we will mess up with one or two things that have very big impacts (ex dark matter ) which we have no idea what it is or dark energy(which may not actually exist ) ps: humans don't do common sense arguing that it is makes it seem even more nieve common sense isn't an argument
It’s clear that there’s no interest in knowing the truth about the matter. I’ve already told you that I verified the mathematical certainty of the impossibility of free will. If you ever have interest, I can show you all the evidence. I won’t discuss it any further. Those who want to know the truth should study on their own, and they will reach the same conclusions as I did.
It can be reached through science, philosophy, but I reached it through gematria, through a deep study of it in the English language
good luck
There is luck in my chess games 
jcidus wrote:
BigChessplayer665 escribió:
jcidus wrote:
Martin_Stahl escribió:
jcidus wrote:
Effort always matters, but luck determines everything.
I recommend the Woody Allen movie, "Match Point," (2005) they talk a bit about this issue of luck.
Again, given the widest definition of luck ... maybe. It's lucky I was born when I was was, had the opportunities I did, haven't yet suffered random catastrophe, etc. The intersections of my choices (which are neither random or based on luck) are certainly influenced by the interaction between other members of society I have interactions with. Those things are not pre-determined. Things may be deterministic based on societal norms, cognitive shortcuts the brain uses, etc that impact the probabilities but they do not make the determinations.
Everything is predetermined whether you like it or not, and the exact day and time of your death is already determined just as the day and time you were born was. It's not very hard to understand, it's pure common sense.
But how it's determined changes the very fundamental nature for if it's deterministic or not and how it is you can't really make a rock solid argument without it sure you can make an ok argument but not 100% provable making that decision without understanding the nature of how it works is a big mistake especially in the realm of mathematics and science you can make assumptions based on other things like proving evolution without knowing what the start is but this is different as it's talking about the laws of the universe it's likely that we will mess up with one or two things that have very big impacts (ex dark matter ) which we have no idea what it is or dark energy(which may not actually exist ) ps: humans don't do common sense arguing that it is makes it seem even more nieve common sense isn't an argument
It’s clear that there’s no interest in knowing the truth about the matter. I’ve already told you that I verified the mathematical certainty of the impossibility of free will. If you ever have interest, I can show you all the evidence. I won’t discuss it any further. Those who want to know the truth should study on their own, and they will reach the same conclusions as I did.
It can be reached through science, philosophy, but I reached it through gematria, through a deep study of it in the English language
good luck
I dunno it also depends what you mean by free will just like luck
BigChessplayer665 escribió:
jcidus wrote:
BigChessplayer665 escribió:
jcidus wrote:
Martin_Stahl escribió:
jcidus wrote:
Effort always matters, but luck determines everything.
I recommend the Woody Allen movie, "Match Point," (2005) they talk a bit about this issue of luck.
Again, given the widest definition of luck ... maybe. It's lucky I was born when I was was, had the opportunities I did, haven't yet suffered random catastrophe, etc. The intersections of my choices (which are neither random or based on luck) are certainly influenced by the interaction between other members of society I have interactions with. Those things are not pre-determined. Things may be deterministic based on societal norms, cognitive shortcuts the brain uses, etc that impact the probabilities but they do not make the determinations.
Everything is predetermined whether you like it or not, and the exact day and time of your death is already determined just as the day and time you were born was. It's not very hard to understand, it's pure common sense.
But how it's determined changes the very fundamental nature for if it's deterministic or not and how it is you can't really make a rock solid argument without it sure you can make an ok argument but not 100% provable making that decision without understanding the nature of how it works is a big mistake especially in the realm of mathematics and science you can make assumptions based on other things like proving evolution without knowing what the start is but this is different as it's talking about the laws of the universe it's likely that we will mess up with one or two things that have very big impacts (ex dark matter ) which we have no idea what it is or dark energy(which may not actually exist ) ps: humans don't do common sense arguing that it is makes it seem even more nieve common sense isn't an argument
It’s clear that there’s no interest in knowing the truth about the matter. I’ve already told you that I verified the mathematical certainty of the impossibility of free will. If you ever have interest, I can show you all the evidence. I won’t discuss it any further. Those who want to know the truth should study on their own, and they will reach the same conclusions as I did.
It can be reached through science, philosophy, but I reached it through gematria, through a deep study of it in the English language
good luck
I dunno it also depends what you mean by free will just like luck
Free will means the supposed ability of an individual to act differently from the script of their existence.
Someone who believes in free will thinks they can change that script.
jcidus wrote:
OctopusOnSteroids escribió:
jcidus wrote:
BigChessplayer665 escribió:
jcidus wrote:
BigChessplayer665 escribió:
jcidus wrote:
StandStarter escribió:
jcidus wrote:
Sobrukai escribió:
If chess were a complete game of luck, then nobody would waste their time trying to perfect their play. Chess famously has no element of chance because the board position and result of the game is entirely up to the determination of the players.
Most people have the illusion that they are free, and that's why they try to perfect their game.
Anyway, one always tries to improve because it's entertaining, it's fun to learn new things, but in the end, whether you win or lose doesn't depend on you or your effort. Carlsen is not the player who has put in the most effort in chess, that's one hundred percent sure. There are players within the top 100 who have sacrificed much more for chess, and yet they are semi-unknown
ps :
Human laws assume that humans have free will, which proves that the judicial system is a scam from start to finish, but that’s another topic
so you think everything is predetermined from the start?
It’s not that I think or believe it, I am certain that everything is predetermined.
Three years ago, I wrote a book and demonstrated that an event would happen 9 months before it actually occurred.
I predicted that event based on the study of gematria, the study of basic mathematics
Considering humans are illogical saying that you support only logical ideals like predeterminism is kinda a fallicy physics is still like a baby (maybe like a 3 year old child ) for now I highly doubt we know enough to determine the laws of the universe
There are scientists who have proven that everything is determined through neuroscience experiments.
I myself have proven it through my book, predicting an event through mathematics that would happen 9 months after I wrote that book
Yes yes I know the issue with neuroscience is outside factors influence it also it honestly depends I doubt we truly know that much about nuroscience yet even if it doesn't seem like free will we can still tweak it yes you can predict something that will happen in the future it depends the issue is we know a lot less then we think we do assuming everysyhings predetermined might be a rushed decision
If you want, I can show you the simple way I came to the understanding and certainty that free will doesn't exist. I found numerological and mathematical patterns in nature and in events like terrorist attacks, where certain numbers clearly repeat in an incredible way.
These patterns prove that our reality follows a perfect mathematical order, and that order can be read through the study of gematria and basic numerology
though, of course, the official academic world does not recognize these truths yet. Maybe in 10 or 20 years, but anyway, I can explain to you how I arrived at this conclusion if you're interested.
It is quite clear this is an elaborate troll, not a very funny one, please avoid...
The troll is you. I can provide arguments and proofs for everything I'm saying.
If you don't know what to say, it's better to stay silent
Okay Ill bite. If its all mathematical and provable what is going to happen... 1. Where do you get the numbers from 2. Once I got the proof for the next 20 years.. I can then go change whatever the numbers tell me. 3. If the numbers are only available after the fact.. then it sounds to me like an emergent property from the events, not the other way round.
Okay, your move.