Chess is to automatic? The higher rated wins in 99,99 % of the times.

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'Nobody ever won by resigning' - Savielly Tartakower. 

Carrinthe

In my opinion TS is just trolling. But I play mostly at an other site and won against players with a rating 300 higher and lost against 300 lower than me. And often because I or my opponent played a good game. How are you supposed to get better if you don't get to see what better is and you run from a fight? The important thing to remenber playing against stronger opponents is that you shouldn't be intimidated and just play your best. Most of the time I don't look at my opponents rating and I just play the board. Complicated tactical positions are your friend. Slow positional games are much harder to win against someone seriously stronger. 

And rating is just a number and completely unimportant. What is important,.. enjoying yourself and not 100 wins against weak opposition gives me the satisfaction winning against a much stronger opponent gives me. 

Jomity

This is very wrong. Sometimes, I play against a higher rated player and my rating jumps to 900. Then I play a 750 rated player in a tournament. The 750 player wins because they just lost to an even lower rated player. Either way, I don't think you should resign unless you are playing someone 600+ rating than you. Even then, you should keep playing just so you get more experience. You can then analyze the game and learn a lot.

An_asparagusic_acid
Carrinthe wrote:

In my opinion TS is just trolling. But I play mostly at an other site and won against players with a rating 300 higher and lost against 300 lower than me. And often because I or my opponent played a good game. How are you supposed to get better if you don't get to see what better is and you run from a fight? The important thing to remenber playing against stronger opponents is that you shouldn't be intimidated and just play your best. Most of the time I don't look at my opponents rating and I just play the board. Complicated tactical positions are your friend. Slow positional games are much harder to win against someone seriously stronger. 

And rating is just a number and completely unimportant. What is important,.. enjoying yourself and not 100 wins against weak opposition gives me the satisfaction winning against a much stronger opponent gives me. 

In my opinion, you’re trolling.

Jomity

@An_asparagusic_acid in my opinion, you shouldn't quote long posts. You should just ping the person who wrote it. 

An_asparagusic_acid
Jomity wrote:

@An_asparagusic_acid in my opinion, you shouldn't quote long posts. You should just ping the person who wrote it. 

Long quotes are good.

Tetra_Wolf
Rawfruit wrote:

A 1500 can never beat a 1700 rated, and a 1700 can never beat a 2000 rated.

But the lucky thing is that a 1500 will always win vs. 1100, 1200, 1300, 1400.

It's a better odds for winning the lottery than beating a higher rated player.

It's not for no reason there is no Chess Sports Bets. The odds must be like 1,01 for the higher rated to win vs. 100,00 in odds for the lower rated.

YES to more tournament with +/- 3 or 5 rating points!

In a USCF rated tournament, as a 1500, I played 4 games. I destroyed a 1600, beat an 1800, destroyed a 1900, and lost to a 2000.

EDIT: got crushed by a 2000, not lost to

Tetra_Wolf

And recently, as a 2000, I drew an IM because I screwed up a winning position in an attempt to flag him, but I was better the entire game. 2000 vs 2400.

An_asparagusic_acid
apotosaurus wrote:
Rawfruit wrote:

A 1500 can never beat a 1700 rated, and a 1700 can never beat a 2000 rated.

But the lucky thing is that a 1500 will always win vs. 1100, 1200, 1300, 1400.

It's a better odds for winning the lottery than beating a higher rated player.

It's not for no reason there is no Chess Sports Bets. The odds must be like 1,01 for the higher rated to win vs. 100,00 in odds for the lower rated.

YES to more tournament with +/- 3 or 5 rating points!

In a USCF rated tournament, as a 1500, I played 4 games. I destroyed a 1600, beat an 1800, destroyed a 1900, and lost to a 2000.

EDIT: got crushed by a 2000, not lost to

You were very underrated, It is impossible for an accurately rated player to play that well.

kionadad

Your words reveal your problem.  You don't play to play, you play to improve your rating.  Play to win, no matter what their rating and you will win some, then more, and then more.  I seldom beat a 1700, occasionally beat a 1600, often beat 1400, and have lost to 1100.  It is the style of play, not just the rating.

 

sndeww
An_asparagusic_acid wrote:
apotosaurus wrote:
Rawfruit wrote:

A 1500 can never beat a 1700 rated, and a 1700 can never beat a 2000 rated.

But the lucky thing is that a 1500 will always win vs. 1100, 1200, 1300, 1400.

It's a better odds for winning the lottery than beating a higher rated player.

It's not for no reason there is no Chess Sports Bets. The odds must be like 1,01 for the higher rated to win vs. 100,00 in odds for the lower rated.

YES to more tournament with +/- 3 or 5 rating points!

In a USCF rated tournament, as a 1500, I played 4 games. I destroyed a 1600, beat an 1800, destroyed a 1900, and lost to a 2000.

EDIT: got crushed by a 2000, not lost to

You were very underrated, It is impossible for an accurately rated player to play that well.

I jumped from 1300 UCSF to 1600 by beating two 1800s, two 1700s, and lost to a 1800. But on the pairing sheet it said my published rating was 1200, which probably didn’t sit too well with most of them

Tetra_Wolf
An_asparagusic_acid wrote:
apotosaurus wrote:
Rawfruit wrote:

A 1500 can never beat a 1700 rated, and a 1700 can never beat a 2000 rated.

But the lucky thing is that a 1500 will always win vs. 1100, 1200, 1300, 1400.

It's a better odds for winning the lottery than beating a higher rated player.

It's not for no reason there is no Chess Sports Bets. The odds must be like 1,01 for the higher rated to win vs. 100,00 in odds for the lower rated.

YES to more tournament with +/- 3 or 5 rating points!

In a USCF rated tournament, as a 1500, I played 4 games. I destroyed a 1600, beat an 1800, destroyed a 1900, and lost to a 2000.

EDIT: got crushed by a 2000, not lost to

You were very underrated, It is impossible for an accurately rated player to play that well.

I admit that I had been doing a bunch of chess book reading before that tournament, but I had been stuck at 1500 for a long time, and I won two of those three games by luck.

Tja_05

An_asparagusic_acid wrote:

apotosaurus wrote:
Rawfruit wrote:

A 1500 can never beat a 1700 rated, and a 1700 can never beat a 2000 rated.

But the lucky thing is that a 1500 will always win vs. 1100, 1200, 1300, 1400.

It's a better odds for winning the lottery than beating a higher rated player.

It's not for no reason there is no Chess Sports Bets. The odds must be like 1,01 for the higher rated to win vs. 100,00 in odds for the lower rated.

YES to more tournament with +/- 3 or 5 rating points!

In a USCF rated tournament, as a 1500, I played 4 games. I destroyed a 1600, beat an 1800, destroyed a 1900, and lost to a 2000.

EDIT: got crushed by a 2000, not lost to

You were very underrated, It is impossible for an accurately rated player to play that well.

You ever consider that his opponents were overrated? Either way, his post invalidates OP's argument.

Tja_05

Rawfruit wrote:

A 1500 can never beat a 1700 rated, and a 1700 can never beat a 2000 rated.

But the lucky thing is that a 1500 will always win vs. 1100, 1200, 1300, 1400.

It's a better odds for winning the lottery than beating a higher rated player.

It's not for no reason there is no Chess Sports Bets. The odds must be like 1,01 for the higher rated to win vs. 100,00 in odds for the lower rated.

YES to more tournament with +/- 3 or 5 rating points!

This post... is terribly inaccurate. I'm 2000 OTB. I've won against 2300s and lost to 1500s, and I'm far from the only one. I remember an NM friend of mine got crushed by a 1400. And in the 2018 American Open, a 2600 GM lost to a 2300!

ThrillerFan
Caesar49bc wrote:

I don't know glicko formula, but with USCF, the rating difference goes like this.

1400 vs 1400 = 50% of winning for each player

1300 vs 1400 = 100 point difference = 25% chance the lower rated wins

1200 vs 1400 = 200 point difference = 12.5% chance the lower rated player wins

1100 vs 1400 = 300 point difference = 6.25% chance the lower rated player wins

1000 vs 1400 = 400 point difference = 3.125% chance of winning

900 vs 1400 = 500 point difference = 1.56% chance of winning

And these are based on many many games,but the bottom line is that even a 200 point difference is significant. Outside of the higher rated player getting distracted, there is little chance for someone rated 250 points lower than the opponent to win. Even a 200 point difference is pretty significant if the higher rated player is taking the game seriously.

 

This is wrong.

 

200 rating difference is .760 for the favorite, or .240 for the dog, NOT .125.

 

400 point difference is .909 for the favorite and .091 for the dog, NOT .03125

 

800 point difference is .991 for the favorite, .009 for the dog.

Rawfruit
JustARandomPatzer skrev:

 

Rawfruit wrote:

 

A 1500 can never beat a 1700 rated, and a 1700 can never beat a 2000 rated.

But the lucky thing is that a 1500 will always win vs. 1100, 1200, 1300, 1400.

It's a better odds for winning the lottery than beating a higher rated player.

It's not for no reason there is no Chess Sports Bets. The odds must be like 1,01 for the higher rated to win vs. 100,00 in odds for the lower rated.

YES to more tournament with +/- 3 or 5 rating points!

 

This post... is terribly inaccurate. I'm 2000 OTB. I've won against 2300s and lost to 1500s, and I'm far from the only one. I remember an NM friend of mine got crushed by a 1400. And in the 2018 American Open, a 2600 GM lost to a 2300!

 

That need to be luck/bug/mistake.

I don't think it's mathematical possible to beat higher rated players if we are both playing at our best.

Of course i can win vs. higher rated when they let time run out because they do other things.

sndeww
Rawfruit wrote:
JustARandomPatzer skrev:

 

Rawfruit wrote:

 

A 1500 can never beat a 1700 rated, and a 1700 can never beat a 2000 rated.

But the lucky thing is that a 1500 will always win vs. 1100, 1200, 1300, 1400.

It's a better odds for winning the lottery than beating a higher rated player.

It's not for no reason there is no Chess Sports Bets. The odds must be like 1,01 for the higher rated to win vs. 100,00 in odds for the lower rated.

YES to more tournament with +/- 3 or 5 rating points!

 

This post... is terribly inaccurate. I'm 2000 OTB. I've won against 2300s and lost to 1500s, and I'm far from the only one. I remember an NM friend of mine got crushed by a 1400. And in the 2018 American Open, a 2600 GM lost to a 2300!

 

That need to be luck/bug/mistake.

I don't think it's mathematical possible to beat higher rated players if we are both playing at our best.

Of course i can win vs. higher rated when they let time run out because they do other things.

 

that's why you improve your chess

 

The_nail
Rawfruit wrote:

I think the only way to improve your rating is to play lower-rated players and beat them, then you get maybe +1 or +2 in rating points, and then just carry on. In a 100-200 games you will have maybe 200 higher rating.

No not really

sndeww
The_nail wrote:
Rawfruit wrote:

I think the only way to improve your rating is to play lower-rated players and beat them, then you get maybe +1 or +2 in rating points, and then just carry on. In a 100-200 games you will have maybe 200 higher rating.

No not really

yeah. I totally farmed freaking bots for +1 and +2 until I got to 1966 blitz, that's what I did yes.

The_nail

yeah but that is bots. also is wasnt 200 points