Chess is too much memorization. Let's fix it.

Have you seen the brainfish book ( cerebellum stockfish)? It is the book analysed with Stockfish mostly beyond depth 50.

There are millions of position on the book. I will be very suprised if you can find 1 in 10, 000 or 1 in million position where Stockfish played horrible position.

https://zipproth.de/Brainfish/brainfish/

Dont say Stockfish play bad in opening based on depth 10 analysis here or 10 sec analysis from your computer.

How to install brainfish

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/how-to-install-brainfish-the-best-chess-program-in-the-world

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess960-chess-variants/functional-exchanged-chess

Re OP: If you feel that this is a problem, why not switch games? Most people like it as it is.

< responses like this always come from closed minded purists, unable to accept their beloved game has huge flaws. 

When Fischer tells you that chess is done and that it's all memorization, I think we can take his view over anyone on here.  

I love memorizing moves. It 's so fun!

Develop skills to visualize, think about ideas and not moves, assess strength and weakness of position, look for best idea and not moves all the time and you will be playing by thinking not memorization.

"There are quite a few professionals, such as Jobava and Ivanchuk, who play unusual moves as early as move 3."   Yup, leave theory early and often.

Yeah for that reason i found that chess is boring and a waste of time

Opening theory is part of the game.

If we somehow undermine it or get rid of it, then I don't think many GMs would be very happy.

Chess history is bunk. Dice came first, then backgammon and chess, both games involving the number six. Dice chess led to gambling and it was outlawed in Islam and Christendom.

When there was a Chess cafe in Camden Town Ali got annoyed at the GMs turning up and playing backgammon for money. Dice chess is not even a folk memory now and is not included in chess histories.

This was made in 2020

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and offer the opposite perspective: the real problem isn't in the memorisation, it's in finding the best moves on your own OTB. Many engine moves are supposedly incomprehensible to humans even at the top level, but are they really? If they're good, there must be reasons for that, and if we cannot fathom them, then those are our own shortcomings and nobody else's.

The nature of chess is such that, the deeper one goes, the more tactically exact the positions are; but I think that there probably won't be a new post-neural network revolution until engines help us relearn chess from scratch somehow.

Well, chess has been around for 1500 years. Don't you think people will come up with the best continuations? It happens to any game which has stayed put for a long time. For example, tic tac toe. There is one way which works the best. Same with Guess Who, another classic board game.

There are massive amounts of unexplored chess. The problem is when both sides strive to play the absolute BEST moves that it becomes predictable. For example, any of the non confrontational openings have a lot to be explored, Hippo, Hedgehog etc. The are deep and extremely resilient. For example, play e4 d4 Nf3 and then have stockfish play both sides. Easy win for white, I mean 2 extra moves right. Nope at least not on my computer. Black switches to non confrontational defense and slowly marches to equality. Or the opposite, GMs avoid unclear lines, take the Scandinavian, there are Bg4 lines where black can sacrifice the bishop, for position. The computer says it’s good for black, but proof of that doesn’t come for 7-8 moves that with corresponding deep branches would be damn near impossible for a human to play either side accurately. Or how about just settling for easy equality as white and play from there? Start with d3 or c3 and see what develops.

in 2011, carlsen played this (as black) against Michael Adams, and eventually got a good position.

The problem with this line of thinking is that Carlsen et al have memorized a ton of what you think are different moves. The ones they haven't give you a clear disadvantage that they'll find over the board.

Lol I'm excited to revisit this from over a year ago. Someone mentioned chess has been around, unchanged, for 1500 years, and so of course we've cranked out things like "openings" and "end game theory" and yes - correct - that's exactly the problem. It's less that chess is inherently "flawed" and more that we as a species have played it to death. Every finite game, no matter how complex, is by definition of it's being finite solvable. Chess, for all of it's beauty and diversity, IMO has arrived at the end of it's interesting life. 1500 years is a heck of a run and a testament to what a great game it is/was, and still as a lowly 1700 player I certainly haven't put in the time to climb to the summit of chess, so it's still fun for me to play. That said, the world top chess has too much history behind it to remain interesting to watch. People don't always win for being better at the game, they occasionally (and even often) win for slaving over a computer, watching a program play the game for them, and then achieving a winning or won position by the time they have to play a move they didn't memorize. I don't want to watch what Nepo "has prepared" for Magnus with white. I'm sure he'll play something uncommon by move 10 and it'll be at least a little interesting to watch Magnus try and find the best replies to Nepo's prepared tactics, but really, we're not watching chess. We're watching someone select a series of puzzles for their opponent to have to solve, and if he does well enough for 20 moves then we get to watch chess with 1/4th of the pieces for the other half of the game.

1500 years, helluva run. But Old Chess is weighed down too heavily by it's history at this point. We pumped the well for as long as we could, but it's dry now. It's given all it had. Accept it. Better Chess (aka chess 960) is the more impressive/true world champ. Excited to watch Wesley defend his title some day when FIDE inevitably acknowledges all I've said here and organizes the next tournament.