I think chess is a sport because you lose many calories playing chess due to thinking hard and stress levels
you lose "many calories" in lots of different aspects of life so that couldn't be a sure-fire indicator
I think chess is a sport because you lose many calories playing chess due to thinking hard and stress levels
you lose "many calories" in lots of different aspects of life so that couldn't be a sure-fire indicator
Its intellectual sport. Let me explain:
People call this a "sport", because no one bothers saying two words.
It's just easier and shorter saying "sport", when you talk about competitive games(football, chess, swimming, poker). In every case everyone sees what you mean.
The same with physical sport, not that you dont need to use your brain and think a lot in physical sport, but it usually means you can't win physical sport without any physical trainings or without being capable of jumping, running and throwing things around.(Physical sport for disabled is very rare)
At the same time physical aspert of yours doesnt matter at all in intellectual sport, cause you can play chess in a wheelchair with only one hand. The same with poker, go and other games.
P.S Calling poker a sport is quite hard, because of such thing as luck, but it requires skill too so lets call it a sport
Then take the skill and physical part out. Assume a sport did not require the physical component, assume a sport did not require skill. How would chess be a sport in that case? Because it burns calories, like sleeping? Or because it's competitive, like Monopoly? Some other reason perhaps?
Take out all the things that some people say aren't needed for something to be a sport and what are you left over with? Would we then see chess on TV at a sports bar? Would we then see chessboards sold in the sporting goods section at a store? I think probably not. Even if we granted EVERY wish to the "chess is a sport" folks, even if EVERY barrier were removed, I'd like to know what would suddenly change.
I think instead what would happen is things like Monopoly, Clue, checkers, backgammon, even crossword puzzles and tic tac toe would all then be classified as sports.
PS: All sports have an element of luck. The issue of luck has been one of the reasons that people say chess is not a sport, very little if any luck.
Yeah, thinking burns more calories. In fact our brain is the most calorie needed organ in our whole body. Research suggests that a chess player could burn up to 132 calories per hour.
Almost nobody watches chess in bar, because it's less popular than football, basketball and baseball. And last, but not least it's hard to concentrate on chess game when it's loud, which usually is in bars at evenings.
I'd like to hear your opinion on Esports. It doesn't require physical activity too, but it's called esports.
P.S I noticed you dislike, just because someone explained why he thinks chess is intellectual sport.
My genuine advice: no need to dislike everybody who disagrees with you in life. Almost nobody wants to argue with you. Good luck
Thanks for the advice. I'm not sure where you get the idea that I "dislike" everybody that disagrees with me. Often it's the opposite. Ziryab for example. I like him. He knows I like him. But we do not agree on everything and rarely will I dislike or thumbs down what he says. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even people I like, and even people I disagree with.
I did notice you were not able to answer my questions though. I think when it comes to the popularity of games vs. sports there is a clear divide. I'm not saying that's good or bad, it just is.
sport as a game/competition/activity that requires physical exertion.
Is Darts a game of physical exertion? It requires just about the same amount of physical exertion throw a dart as it does to move Qa1 - Qh8
So basically, penguinboy9 denies that he thinks his opinion rules over everyone, yet his entire argument here is based off of his opinion. Thus penguinboy9's argument is self contradictory, and thus wrong. Therefore, chess is a sport.
Yes, chess is recognized by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) as a sport. More than 100 countries recognize Chess as a sport as well.
PROOF
The IOC recognizing chess as a sport does not mean anything. [...]
We, the people, use on a daily basis many convetional tools, such as languages, currencies, games and sports rules, etc. These conventional tools are enforced by institutions, academies and the such, which, as all are aware, are not 100% reliable. Yet, we do rely on these, cos, guess what, it's so very simply "that or nothing".
Following your idea would lead to a World and a life where people would smash each other's head at every single Scrabble game, since no one could any longer claim "yes it's a word since it's in the dictionary" (and reversed).
So so so, "sorry sir", I rather do keep it up with stuff such as the Comité International Olympique (aka IOC) to tell me and everybody what's a sport and what is not a sport, than to have to live under the ruling of the like of you, who's ego makes them believe their personnal judgement do over rule everybody and everything about any topic.
We all are tempted sooner or later to go wild opinions like that, and it's only good we have got such tools such as them "not 100% reliable authorities" in order to arbiter disagreements.
I do not believe that my personal judgement rules over everybody. My point is that for subjective matters like this, we as a society should decide whether or not it is a sport based on the opinion of everyone. Most people would not consider chess a sport, so it should not be considered one.
Yes, chess is recognized by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) as a sport. More than 100 countries recognize Chess as a sport as well.
PROOF
The IOC recognizing chess as a sport does not mean anything. [...]
We, the people, use on a daily basis many convetional tools, such as languages, currencies, games and sports rules, etc. These conventional tools are enforced by institutions, academies and the such, which, as all are aware, are not 100% reliable. Yet, we do rely on these, cos, guess what, it's so very simply "that or nothing".
Following your idea would lead to a World and a life where people would smash each other's head at every single Scrabble game, since no one could any longer claim "yes it's a word since it's in the dictionary" (and reversed).
So so so, "sorry sir", I rather do keep it up with stuff such as the Comité International Olympique (aka IOC) to tell me and everybody what's a sport and what is not a sport, than to have to live under the ruling of the like of you, who's ego makes them believe their personnal judgement do over rule everybody and everything about any topic.
We all are tempted sooner or later to go wild opinions like that, and it's only good we have got such tools such as them "not 100% reliable authorities" in order to arbiter disagreements.
I do not believe that my personal judgement rules over everybody. My point is that for subjective matters like this, we as a society should decide whether or not it is a sport based on the opinion of everyone. Most people would not consider chess a sport, so it should not be considered one.
there are people who have never played chess, never seen a game of chess played, these people do not understand what chess truly is. Society can be wrong, even for subjective matters. Should society get to decide subjective matters? the answer is a clear no, because the only way for society can function is if everyone is entitled to their OWN opinion on subjective matters, if society could make a final decision on subjective matters by virtue of the majority's opinion, things would slowly get out of hand. eventually, people would be prosecuted for having an opinion that is different from the majority. My point is that, for society to function, when it comes to subjective matters everyone must be able to have their own opinion. Society and government have no say in subjective matters, because that is based off of opinion, something which everyone is entitled to. Therefore, chess is a sport (in my opinion)
Yes, everyone can have their own opinion. At the same time, we can generally agree on things such as morals, which everyone has a different opinion on, yet we still follow the rules that have been set. Society can form an opinion on these things, and at least in my opinion, society determines the truth.
Chess is competitive & requires skill (although not physical), so yes, it qualifies at least mostly.
And It's also widely recognised as a sport (more like a mental sport).
A large survey conducted on chess.com determined that 78% of people believe that chess is a sport. And while you may say that it is biased, it is not. The reason is that the population on chess.com is very well educated about chess, about the mental effort it requires, and about the similarities and differences from other sports. The general population has no idea how much thinking it takes to play chess, and thus their opinion is not shaped by facts, only feelings. When you combine this with the fact that the IOC and SportAccord (Both have lots of experience determining what is and is not a sport) say that yes, chess is a sport, this leads to a clear conclusion: Chess is a sport. Also, as I stated earlier, the Webster's Random House Dictionary defines a sport to be diversion; recreation, which would include chess. This disproves both claims in your initial post:
1) All reputable dictionaries define a sport to be a game/competition/activity that requires physical exertion (The Webster's Random House Dictionary is most certainly reputable)
2) There is no valid argument that chess is a sport, I have been presenting a valid argument this entire time.
Thus penguinboy9 is incorrect.
This debate is closed.
"a game, competition, or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules, for enjoyment and/or as a job:" is the definition of sport according to cambridge dictionary
There are no valid arguments for chess being a sport. All reputable dictionaries define the word sport as a game/competition/activity that requires physical exertion. Chess is obviously not a physical sport by any means.
congratulations on the -16 downvote, boy!
I just made it 17
A large survey conducted on chess.com determined that 78% of people believe that chess is a sport. And while you may say that it is biased, it is not. The reason is that the population on chess.com is very well educated about chess, about the mental effort it requires, and about the similarities and differences from other sports. The general population has no idea how much thinking it takes to play chess, and thus their opinion is not shaped by facts, only feelings. When you combine this with the fact that the IOC and SportAccord (Both have lots of experience determining what is and is not a sport) say that yes, chess is a sport, this leads to a clear conclusion: Chess is a sport. Also, as I stated earlier, the Webster's Random House Dictionary defines a sport to be diversion; recreation, which would include chess. This disproves both claims in your initial post:
1) All reputable dictionaries define a sport to be a game/competition/activity that requires physical exertion (The Webster's Random House Dictionary is most certainly reputable)
2) There is no valid argument that chess is a sport, I have been presenting a valid argument this entire time.
Thus penguinboy9 is incorrect.
This debate is closed.
If 78% of the people on chess.com think chess is a sport that may be one of the most compelling reasons yet why chess is NOT a sport. There is no place where there would be a more biased view towards the idea that chess is a sport. I would assume it would be something like 95% think chess is a sport. If only a marginal majority of chess players think chess is a sport, what's that say about the general population? I mean, when they aren't laughing at the idea, that is.
A large survey conducted on chess.com determined that 78% of people believe that chess is a sport. And while you may say that it is biased, it is not. The reason is that the population on chess.com is very well educated about chess, about the mental effort it requires, and about the similarities and differences from other sports. The general population has no idea how much thinking it takes to play chess, and thus their opinion is not shaped by facts, only feelings. When you combine this with the fact that the IOC and SportAccord (Both have lots of experience determining what is and is not a sport) say that yes, chess is a sport, this leads to a clear conclusion: Chess is a sport. Also, as I stated earlier, the Webster's Random House Dictionary defines a sport to be diversion; recreation, which would include chess. This disproves both claims in your initial post:
1) All reputable dictionaries define a sport to be a game/competition/activity that requires physical exertion (The Webster's Random House Dictionary is most certainly reputable)
2) There is no valid argument that chess is a sport, I have been presenting a valid argument this entire time.
Thus penguinboy9 is incorrect.
This debate is closed.
If 78% of the people on chess.com think chess is a sport that may be one of the most compelling reasons yet why chess is NOT a sport. There is no place where there would be a more biased view towards the idea that chess is a sport. I would assume it would be something like 95% think chess is a sport. If only a marginal majority of chess players think chess is a sport, what's that say about the general population? I mean, when they aren't laughing at the idea, that is.
again the general population is far less educated on this topic, thus their opinion holds much less weight
Is chess still a sport if I play it on my phone while lying in bed? This is often when I play it - a few games before sleep, or a few games after waking ... Tap, tap, tap goes the index finger ...
Is chess still a sport if I play it on my phone while lying in bed? This is often when I play it - a few games before sleep, or a few games after waking ... Tap, tap, tap goes the index finger ...
that is online chess, there are many differences between online and OTB, to be clear, i am talking about OTB chess, not online.
A large survey conducted on chess.com determined that 78% of people believe that chess is a sport. And while you may say that it is biased, it is not. The reason is that the population on chess.com is very well educated about chess, about the mental effort it requires, and about the similarities and differences from other sports. The general population has no idea how much thinking it takes to play chess, and thus their opinion is not shaped by facts, only feelings. When you combine this with the fact that the IOC and SportAccord (Both have lots of experience determining what is and is not a sport) say that yes, chess is a sport, this leads to a clear conclusion: Chess is a sport. Also, as I stated earlier, the Webster's Random House Dictionary defines a sport to be diversion; recreation, which would include chess. This disproves both claims in your initial post:
1) All reputable dictionaries define a sport to be a game/competition/activity that requires physical exertion (The Webster's Random House Dictionary is most certainly reputable)
2) There is no valid argument that chess is a sport, I have been presenting a valid argument this entire time.
Thus penguinboy9 is incorrect.
This debate is closed.
If 78% of the people on chess.com think chess is a sport that may be one of the most compelling reasons yet why chess is NOT a sport. There is no place where there would be a more biased view towards the idea that chess is a sport. I would assume it would be something like 95% think chess is a sport. If only a marginal majority of chess players think chess is a sport, what's that say about the general population? I mean, when they aren't laughing at the idea, that is.
again the general population is far less educated on this topic, thus their opinion holds much less weight
Says who?
Let's try a little experiment. Pick your favorite sports bar. You know, the one down the street where people like to go to watch the big game. It has great staff, the food is good, the selection of beverages is excellent. And the prices are decent. You know the one. They have more than enough big screen TVs to cover every game being played that day.
Now, walk into that bar, say at about 5pm, and declare to the general public filling up the sports bar that they are just not educated. Tell them their opinion holds so little weight. Tell them how wrong they are. Tell them, in the most confident fashion you can muster up, that chess is a sport.
How do you think that's going to go for you? Make sure you tell them how physically demanding chess is. Make sure you tell them its competitive. Make sure you tell them you think chess should be in the Olympics. Do you think you will convince the "general public" that's so uneducated that chess is a sport? Or do you think you will be laughed out of the bar?
Oh, and make sure you take a survey. Allegedly 78% of chess players here think chess is a sport. Do you think 22% of sports enthusiasts think chess is NOT a sport? Or do you think it would be more in the neighborhood of 95%?
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I think chess is a sport because you lose many calories playing chess due to thinking hard and stress levels