Chess isn't a sport

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chessbishop21
lfPatriotGames wrote:
chessbishop21 wrote:
Penguinboy9 wrote:

There are no valid arguments for chess being a sport. All reputable dictionaries define the word sport as a game/competition/activity that requires physical exertion. Chess is obviously not a physical sport by any means.

Physical exertion in the form of calorie burning through intense concentration and a higher heart rate during the game. Estimates have shown that even in casual games, you lose around 1.67 calories per minute.

That would be through stress, not physical exertion. A sport is not defined by how stressful it is. If the stress incurred during a chess game somehow implies that's what makes it a sport, then wouldn't that same criteria apply to other activities? Doing your taxes, sitting in rush hour traffic, various tests or paperwork that needs to be filled out. All very stressful, but are they sports?

Probably a better argument for chess being a sport is the equipment. In most sports, the advancement or use of modern equipment gives the participant an advantage over his opponent. In golf, tennis, hockey, etc the latest equipment offers advantages. Even sports like running, football, or basketball the players are benefited by the latest and greatest apparel. If you want to argue that chess is a sport just point to the equipment advantages one side uses that the other side does not.

Whether it's the pieces, the clock, or the board, a true chess athlete playing in an over the board tournament will take advantage of the modern equipment that the opponent does not.

Also, I don't know how many calories are burned playing chess, but any activity that involves sitting motionless for 95% of the time is one of the most athletic activities there are. All the truly great athletes train daily by sitting motionless for hours at a time. Not only is it good for your health, it develops the physical muscle memory needed for sports. When an athlete sits motionless for many hours during the day it trains the muscles to not do anything. Which is very important not only for sports like chess but also other sports like daydreaming, watching TV, and sleeping.

I respectfully disagree. I see your point, but this argument isn't foolproof. First off, it's not about the stress because, as stated before, "even in casual games," emphasizing how in all games, even casual ones, where you are care-free and without stress, you are burning calories. There is also the sport psychology aspect. In some games, you play on big screens in front of a huge crowd, and in others, you have to know the strategy for winning in the tournament rankings. But I do want to mention that in a competitive/professional setting, it's not really a sport in the casual one.

Jack-McBain
Ziryab wrote:
Leftehnuhnt-Lmao wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Leftehnuhnt-Lmao wrote:
Penguinboy9 wrote:

There are no valid arguments for chess being a sport. All reputable dictionaries define the word sport as a game/competition/activity that requires physical exertion. Chess is obviously not a physical sport by any means.

Chess is physical, sorry to disappoint you.

When both sides are wrong, …

please don’t quote me.

i have requested you to stop stalking me before already.

i know you don’t like me, so I have no interest in what you have to say to me.

I don’t recall any prior interactions with you. I disagreed with your post, which concedes too much to those stubbornly clinging to truncated dictionaries.

This thread and the dozens like it could facilitate informed discussion of the nature of sport. Both those clinging to a static (and relatively recent) definition of sport and those trying to equate chess with athletics stand in the way of useful discussion.

That’s why I only comment occasionally.

If we had a disagreement when you were using a different account, tell me the name. Maybe I’ll remember the exchange. Your current name is not one that has left an impression upon me. The notion that I “don’t like you” presumes that I’ve noticed you. You are giving yourself too much credit.

Ziryab is right.

Huligan3017

Its intellectual sport. Let me explain:

People call this a "sport", because no one bothers saying two words.

It's just easier and shorter saying "sport", when you talk about competitive games(football, chess, swimming, poker). In every case everyone sees what you mean.

The same with physical sport, not that you dont need to use your brain and think a lot in physical sport, but it usually means you can't win physical sport without any physical trainings or without being capable of jumping, running and throwing things around.(Physical sport for disabled is very rare)

At the same time physical aspert of yours doesnt matter at all in intellectual sport, cause you can play chess in a wheelchair with only one hand. The same with poker, go and other games.

P.S Calling poker a sport is quite hard, because of such thing as luck, but it requires skill too so lets call it a sport

lfPatriotGames
Huligan3017 wrote:

Its intellectual sport. Let me explain:

People call this a "sport", because no one bothers saying two words.

It's just easier and shorter saying "sport", when you talk about competitive games(football, chess, swimming, poker). In every case everyone sees what you mean.

The same with physical sport, not that you dont need to use your brain and think a lot in physical sport, but it usually means you can't win physical sport without any physical trainings or without being capable of jumping, running and throwing things around.(Physical sport for disabled is very rare)

At the same time physical aspert of yours doesnt matter at all in intellectual sport, cause you can play chess in a wheelchair with only one hand. The same with poker, go and other games.

P.S Calling poker a sport is quite hard, because of such thing as luck, but it requires skill too so lets call it a sport

Then take the skill and physical part out. Assume a sport did not require the physical component, assume a sport did not require skill. How would chess be a sport in that case? Because it burns calories, like sleeping? Or because it's competitive, like Monopoly? Some other reason perhaps?

Take out all the things that some people say aren't needed for something to be a sport and what are you left over with? Would we then see chess on TV at a sports bar? Would we then see chessboards sold in the sporting goods section at a store? I think probably not. Even if we granted EVERY wish to the "chess is a sport" folks, even if EVERY barrier were removed, I'd like to know what would suddenly change.

I think instead what would happen is things like Monopoly, Clue, checkers, backgammon, even crossword puzzles and tic tac toe would all then be classified as sports.

PS: All sports have an element of luck. The issue of luck has been one of the reasons that people say chess is not a sport, very little if any luck.

Jack-McBain

Chess is not a sport, anyone who plays a sport and chess know that. People who call chess a sport are out of shape.

crystal0192

it meets the sportaccord definition

crystal0192

https://www.chess.com/survey/do-you-consider-chess-a-sport

FrancisVarney

as I said in the other thread--if you can play it with a drink in your hand, it's not a sport.

AGC-Gambit_YT
wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Leftehnuhnt-Lmao wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Leftehnuhnt-Lmao wrote:
Penguinboy9 wrote:

There are no valid arguments for chess being a sport. All reputable dictionaries define the word sport as a game/competition/activity that requires physical exertion. Chess is obviously not a physical sport by any means.

Chess is physical, sorry to disappoint you.

When both sides are wrong, …

please don’t quote me.

i have requested you to stop stalking me before already.

i know you don’t like me, so I have no interest in what you have to say to me.

I don’t recall any prior interactions with you. I disagreed with your post, which concedes too much to those stubbornly clinging to truncated dictionaries.

This thread and the dozens like it could facilitate informed discussion of the nature of sport. Both those clinging to a static (and relatively recent) definition of sport and those trying to equate chess with athletics stand in the way of useful discussion.

That’s why I only comment occasionally.

If we had a disagreement when you were using a different account, tell me the name. Maybe I’ll remember the exchange. Your current name is not one that has left an impression upon me. The notion that I “don’t like you” presumes that I’ve noticed you. You are giving yourself too much credit.

Ziryab is right.

when did Ziryab post?

Bro is my homie cry.png

AGC-Gambit_YT

it's a sport omg, you don't need to obsess over "physical" part.

AGC-Gambit_YT
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Abtectous wrote:
People still arguing over how people use words 😂

That, precisely, is what is at stake in the question of whether and to what extent chess is or is not a sport.

HI ZIRYAB!!

AGC-Gambit_YT
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FreeFriendlyDove wrote:

Yes, chess is recognized by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) as a sport. More than 100 countries recognize Chess as a sport as well.

PROOF

The IOC recognizing chess as a sport does not mean anything. Governing bodies can be wrong. The IOC is also biased because of a money incentive which they have revealed before and other things that you would probably not consider a sport have been in the olympics. One example of that is poetry.

can be wrong and is wrong are 2 different things

Cold-Paudzer

I think chess is a sport because you lose many calories playing chess due to thinking hard and stress levels

StandStarter
Cold-Paudzer wrote:

I think chess is a sport because you lose many calories playing chess due to thinking hard and stress levels

you lose "many calories" in lots of different aspects of life so that couldn't be a sure-fire indicator

johncsch
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lfPatriotGames
Huligan3017 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Huligan3017 wrote:

Its intellectual sport. Let me explain:

People call this a "sport", because no one bothers saying two words.

It's just easier and shorter saying "sport", when you talk about competitive games(football, chess, swimming, poker). In every case everyone sees what you mean.

The same with physical sport, not that you dont need to use your brain and think a lot in physical sport, but it usually means you can't win physical sport without any physical trainings or without being capable of jumping, running and throwing things around.(Physical sport for disabled is very rare)

At the same time physical aspert of yours doesnt matter at all in intellectual sport, cause you can play chess in a wheelchair with only one hand. The same with poker, go and other games.

P.S Calling poker a sport is quite hard, because of such thing as luck, but it requires skill too so lets call it a sport

Then take the skill and physical part out. Assume a sport did not require the physical component, assume a sport did not require skill. How would chess be a sport in that case? Because it burns calories, like sleeping? Or because it's competitive, like Monopoly? Some other reason perhaps?

Take out all the things that some people say aren't needed for something to be a sport and what are you left over with? Would we then see chess on TV at a sports bar? Would we then see chessboards sold in the sporting goods section at a store? I think probably not. Even if we granted EVERY wish to the "chess is a sport" folks, even if EVERY barrier were removed, I'd like to know what would suddenly change.

I think instead what would happen is things like Monopoly, Clue, checkers, backgammon, even crossword puzzles and tic tac toe would all then be classified as sports.

PS: All sports have an element of luck. The issue of luck has been one of the reasons that people say chess is not a sport, very little if any luck.

Yeah, thinking burns more calories. In fact our brain is the most calorie needed organ in our whole body. Research suggests that a chess player could burn up to 132 calories per hour.

Almost nobody watches chess in bar, because it's less popular than football, basketball and baseball. And last, but not least it's hard to concentrate on chess game when it's loud, which usually is in bars at evenings.

I'd like to hear your opinion on Esports. It doesn't require physical activity too, but it's called esports.

P.S I noticed you dislike, just because someone explained why he thinks chess is intellectual sport.

My genuine advice: no need to dislike everybody who disagrees with you in life. Almost nobody wants to argue with you. Good luck

Thanks for the advice. I'm not sure where you get the idea that I "dislike" everybody that disagrees with me. Often it's the opposite. Ziryab for example. I like him. He knows I like him. But we do not agree on everything and rarely will I dislike or thumbs down what he says. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even people I like, and even people I disagree with.

I did notice you were not able to answer my questions though. I think when it comes to the popularity of games vs. sports there is a clear divide. I'm not saying that's good or bad, it just is.

Sargon_Three
Penguinboy9 wrote:

sport as a game/competition/activity that requires physical exertion.

Is Darts a game of physical exertion? It requires just about the same amount of physical exertion throw a dart as it does to move Qa1 - Qh8

julianfreeman1
Chess is a sport
Huligan3017

My bad I thought you were the other person in previous pages.

I wanted to edit my comment, but you answered so quick, so excuse me.

I'll try to answer all your questions:

Monopoly isnt sport, because its more like roulette. Poker on the other side, gives you more choices, so luck is less crucial than in monopoly. Nobody won't let you fold.

Chessboard generally sold around cards games in stores. I never used one. Only play online.

Chekers is considered sport like chess by the way. Not sure about some other games.

Crossword puzzles and tic tac toe isnt sport, cause there's no competitive mathes versus other players.

Not all sports have an element of luck. Running for example. Tell Usain Bolt he's lucky to run so fast

"Then take the skill and physical part out. Assume a sport did not require the physical component, assume a sport did not require skill. How would chess be a sport in that case?" Chess would be a sport in this case, because it is competitive game. Playing versus other players

" Would we then see chessboards sold in the sporting goods section at a store? I think probably not. Even if we granted EVERY wish to the "chess is a sport" folks, even if EVERY barrier were removed, I'd like to know what would suddenly change." 

Im not sure ahat you mean. Chessboard sold almost in every store, less often than football ball. Card games are not sold in sports section too, but some are considered sport too

P.S editing on phone is so uncomfortable, I just deleted my comment and wanted to post a new one, but I think you already got my idea

Jack-McBain

If you think Chess is a sport put a thumbup

If you think Chess is not a sport put thumbdown