Chess legends. Where would be Carlson's position in a list?

Hi all. Thinking of the great legends of chess, like Fischer, Kasparov, Tal, Morphy, Capablanca, and etc, where should be Magnus Carlsen in such a list of the greatest of all? I have few knowledge of chess history so, what is your opinion?  Should Carlsen be listed as a legend already, or is it too early?  
Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

Yes, I agree with you.  It would be the same as to try to compare Beethoven with some great musician of today.  

In my opinion, all of the great players had their own geniality, wich was gotten with the possibilities as they had at their time. Capablanca didn't have a computer to play? ok. 

Carlsen learned with 10 years old playing against the computer while Capablanca learned with his father at the age of 4. ok.

But I think any human is really able to understand all the chess, it is not possible for the human mind and impossible even to an engine. However, I like the way this players understand the game. We always have something new to learn with chess... At this way, I think it is not necessary to discuss whether there is someone better or worse, or that deserves to be in that or another list. The correct question wich everyone could ask itself is: what's my place in the universe of chess, what can I learn to my life with chess? I think every day I can learn something more, even without being on a board,  because chess can manifest itself in various segments of life. Obeserve carefully and tell me if it's not true ...

I agree with you, Boris. "Chess can manifest itself in various segments of life."  Very well written!

after seeing carlsen playing at ten on utube and beating karpov at 13 i can see why he is world champ also have to put him in top 3! hes got a long road to go to catch kasparov i think hes best. 20 years world champ! i still say better than fisher even though gary likes fisher.  i also like what carlsen does for chess even at early age of 21 mkes many contributions to promote chess through his actions as a champ!  kudos to him! 

Jengaias, my dear. I expect my next words don't offend you, it is not my propose. 

However, I cannot agree with your post about my words because I wrote some thoughts about chess in our lifes that is so hard to see as a sacrificing piece from Mikhail Tal. Remenber he was a player known as "Magician from Riga" wich sads sometime: we have two tipes of sacrifices, the correct ones and mine. 

Let me try to explain to you, with respect of course, and so, if even after this you don't agree with me we won't have a problem, only different points of view from a same phenomenom. ok?

Well, I said "chess can manifest itself in various segments of life". I challenge you: if I can proove you that my sentence about chess is a logical truth you will pay me a dinner when I visit your country, and if I cannot get this objetive I will have the honour to pay a dinner to you when you come to Brazil. Do you agree?

Ok. I will bring to you a example that chess can manifest itself in our life and then, you read, think and analyze, as you probably do in a chess game, and say your opinion.

Example: Imagine your took your car and went to a supermarket. Nothing out of the normal until here. ok. And when you arrive you remenber you also need to go to the bank, the scholl of your children and to your mom's house. Each one of this destinys are in a specific point in the city you live, allright? Ok. What the chess can make for you at this situation? Why I could think chess could teach me a solution for this problem? Did you find a way? Did you find a solution? Ok. I think the hability of calculating moves, wich is used in chess, could bring you a creative solution. Let me try to explain to you. At the situation of my example, you are still in the street with your car, allright? I don't said nothing about you were stopped your car. Will it be? Please, get back, look and check my information. Ok. So, your chess mind, based on your calculating of chess moves skill, will be saiyng to you, get left at the 4th square and stop your car there. You will do what your mind suggests to you, but still can be thinking: why she saids to stop the car there? Wait a minute and it is probably she will said to you: I asked you to stop the car there, cause stopping the car there, you will already be positioned at the right way to go to the school of your children and after this, the bank you need to go is also in the same way, resting your mom's house wich is in otherside of the city but the way you need to get to be going there is next from where are you now. It is a paradoxal example, cause it is simple and complex at the same time. This scene I wrote to you, have some foundation? Think, analyze and then you answer me with a suggestion of the place we will have our dinner...

Of the names you listed, Carlsen's position depends on whether you meant chronological positioning or alphabetical positioning.

Chronological:

Morphy, Capablanca, Tal, Fischer, Kasparov, Carlsen

Alphabetical:

Capablanca, Carlsen, Fischer, Kasparov, Morphy, Tal

So, you see he can be near the front or at the very end, depending how you look at it.

not sure what you are trying to say....

relative to their respective populations, they are comparable.  "morphy had nothing, carlsen had everything" doesnt really explain the fact that each of them are exceptionally successful.  Sure, Carlsen has those things, but so does his competition.  Sure they may not be comparable in skill and resources, but they can be comparable in how much they denominated their respective eras.

Jengaias my nobel, is something like this I've tried to say, but I choose an example of the concrete things chess is able to help us. The real contribution of chess to our life is more subjective. See my daily game with Juliano Arantes and you will find an example of the spiritual dimension of chess. See the game and try to find what was the mistake I made wich made him defeat me.

And If you find the move, reflict with me: what kind of spiritual information or reflection could be associated?

Hope you have a good wekeend, and waiting for your answer. hugs

Hi mister alexm2310, It was not my intention to be acid. I ask you appologyze if it happens. 

I said my idea by this way cause I like to be misterious, it is the way my mind talk with the people.

Observe my discussion with the player Jengaias, see what he said to me. He choose to be agressive with his words, explaining his idea of what was the move I made wich make me loose that game. After this, he said I don't know the basic principles of the oppening stage at a game of chess. If I wanted, I could understand his words as a offense. Perhaps he could see again the way he choose to talk... In doing so, perhaps he could find a good spiritual concept: the  humility. 

Jengaias my dear, take again the game with juliano arantes and look at the 8th move of white, after this, say to me what is the sipritual information or reflection...

What was the black answer to that move? Could this move be the cause of my defeat?

What you think about it? Try to analyze what I have thought at that moment, try to catch what was my intention with that move...

With the move 8 Ne5 I was menacing both a bishop and a knight, alright? This was the mistake, cause I wanted to catch a piece, more than the position suggests... The spiritual principle there was that I looked only for material and not looked for the things wich really are important. If I've made the move 8d5 I will be starting to build tactical and positional concrete advantage... 

Kasparov, Fischer, Morphy, Carlsen, Capablanca, Karpov, Lasker, Tal, Alekhine, Anand if we talk about strengh IN COMPARISON TO knowledge available at the time.

Carlsen, Caruana, Vachier-Lagrave, Kasparov, Nakamura, Kramnik, Giri, Anand, Topalov, Fischer? If we argue in terms of raw playing strength (notice all players nowaday have super strong engines like Komodo- rated 3340 and would therefore almost certainly beat Fischer).

And in terms of talent:

Fischer

Sultan Mhir Khan

Morphy

Vera Menchik

Kasparov

Tal

come to mind. But this is just my opinion. I hope I could help you out :)