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Im a 1500 Rated player and was woundering if anyone had some non passive openings for black, cheers

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Where are you rated 1500?

After reviewing some of your games you do not play like a 1500 player.  The last thing you need to be concerned about is playing agressive openings.  

Work on opening principles, and tactics.

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Umm not on this website, I mainly use Lichess and haven't used this website recently...

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And if you where going to follow up my username on Lichess, i won't you to know that I have been experimenting with openings for black on non rated games but it would come up with a 'lose' in my game history because I wasen't going to waste too much time in mid and end game.. So school down a bit and you would see a winning streak of about 12 and thats my recent rated games.... 

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After seeing this game I don't believe you are 1500:



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Passive is in the play my friend. If you improve your tactics, you can produce a good brawl from just about any opening.

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Dutch Defence, Colorado Gambit, Budapest Gambit

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MonkeyH wrote:

After seeing this game I don't believe you are 1500:

 



This is partly why i didnt respond to the OP's answers to my post.  It was pretty obvious, he is another beginner that thinks he is an agressive/tactical player.  

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For someone seeking a suggestion of an opening, I usually bring up Openings for Amateurs by Pete Tamburro (2014).

http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2014/05/review-of-pete-tamburros-openings-for.html

Even if you do not like his specific recommendations, they might at least give you a feeling as to what you would like to try next. Opening selection is surprisingly complicated and nobody can realistically do it for you. "You find your path by walking it", seems to be very appropriate here. If you really want to go shopping for an opening, you might try Back to Basics: Openings by FM Carsten Hansen (2010).

http://www.thechessmind.net/blog/2010/1/30/a-brief-review-of-carsten-hansens-back-to-basics-openings.html

Of the recent general books about openings, perhaps the talkiest is Fundamental Chess Openings by Paul van der Sterren (2009). It is pretty long, though.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140626173432/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen128.pdf

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The default rating, meaning what you start off with, I am sure, for Lichess is 1500.

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That quiet 3. ... h6 - I literally laughed out loud.

I'm with YLB: start with the basics.

You are missing some of the obvious tactics that aren't even attempted at being hidden. As Monkey pointed out... most anyone should have recognized that Rook/Knight pin on move 11 of the game he posted.

How Not To Play Chess, and How To Play The Chess Openings might make for an interesting read for you. They are less about memorizing moves and learning variations as they are about basic positional play and the advantages of development and tempo.

Hell I'm still learning the main-line openings... so I am definitely not one to talk about openings. I'm still in the "play what looks right to further your plan" stage.

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ylblai2 wrote:

For someone seeking a suggestion of an opening, I usually bring up Openings for Amateurs by Pete Tamburro (2014).

http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2014/05/review-of-pete-tamburros-openings-for.html

Even if you do not like his specific recommendations, they might at least give you a feeling as to what you would like to try next. Opening selection is surprisingly complicated and nobody can realistically do it for you. "You find your path by walking it", seems to be very appropriate here. If you really want to go shopping for an opening, you might try Back to Basics: Openings by FM Carsten Hansen (2010).

http://www.thechessmind.net/blog/2010/1/30/a-brief-review-of-carsten-hansens-back-to-basics-openings.html

Of the recent general books about openings, perhaps the talkiest is Fundamental Chess Openings by Paul van der Sterren (2009). It is pretty long, though.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140626173432/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen128.pdf

One of the only person to actually reply with an actual response without digging into my throat... I have only been playing for 2 months now and have worked my ASS off to try to become better.... I earned my rating on lichess.. Heck I might not know everything hense not one person has took the time to help me...

Continue judging because it's not my time your wasting...

Thanks for all the help experts  

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Canyouknott2004 wrote:
ylblai2 wrote:

For someone seeking a suggestion of an opening, I usually bring up Openings for Amateurs by Pete Tamburro (2014).

http://kenilworthian.blogspot.com/2014/05/review-of-pete-tamburros-openings-for.html

Even if you do not like his specific recommendations, they might at least give you a feeling as to what you would like to try next. Opening selection is surprisingly complicated and nobody can realistically do it for you. "You find your path by walking it", seems to be very appropriate here. If you really want to go shopping for an opening, you might try Back to Basics: Openings by FM Carsten Hansen (2010).

http://www.thechessmind.net/blog/2010/1/30/a-brief-review-of-carsten-hansens-back-to-basics-openings.html

Of the recent general books about openings, perhaps the talkiest is Fundamental Chess Openings by Paul van der Sterren (2009). It is pretty long, though.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140626173432/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen128.pdf

One of the only person to actually reply with an actual response without digging into my throat... I have only been playing for 2 months now and have worked my ASS off to try to become better.... I earned my rating on lichess.. Heck I might not know everything hense not one person has took the time to help me...

Continue judging because it's not my time your wasting...

Thanks for all the help experts  

You had one person call you out on a game you played a few days ago. Every other comment has had helpful info hidden inside a warm layer of critisism.

As for what openings to play as black? Whatever stops the line of progression White is going for. White dictates your opening, not necessarily the other way around. Or that's how I usually play it anyways.

Stay as even as possible and wait for them to make a mistake or give up the momentum and swing the game. It's about all you can hope for if White plays well...

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TheBeard wrote:

That quiet 3. ... h6 - I literally laughed out loud.

I'm with YLB: start with the basics.

You are missing some of the obvious tactics that aren't even attempted at being hidden. As Monkey pointed out... most anyone should have recognized that Rook/Knight pin on move 11 of the game he posted.

How Not To Play Chess, and How To Play The Chess Openings might make for an interesting read for you. They are less about memorizing moves and learning variations as they are about basic positional play and the advantages of development and tempo.

Hell I'm still learning the main-line openings... so I am definitely not one to talk about openings. I'm still in the "play what looks right to further your plan" stage.

Maybe 'Anti Fried Liver Attack'?

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My advice?

Stop trying to focus on an opening until you know *why* the opening works. Many good books were refered to you that can help you understand those concepts.

It does no good to learn a move sequence if you don't know why you are moving the pieces there... because as soon as your opponent leaves your pre-set move routine, you won't know where to progress.

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TheBeard wrote:

My advice?

Stop trying to focus on an opening until you know *why* the opening works. Many good books were refered to you that can help you understand those concepts.

It does no good to learn a move sequence if you don't know why you are moving the pieces there... because as soon as your opponent leaves your pre-set move routine, you won't know where to progress.

I understant that, so what recommendations of easier enought to understand openings for black

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Someone want to help here? I'm trying... I'm trying real hard...

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Canyouknott2004 wrote:
TheBeard wrote:

My advice?

Stop trying to focus on an opening until you know *why* the opening works. Many good books were refered to you that can help you understand those concepts.

It does no good to learn a move sequence if you don't know why you are moving the pieces there... because as soon as your opponent leaves your pre-set move routine, you won't know where to progress.

I understant that, so what recommendations of easier enought to understand openings for black

this may be more depending on who is doing the teaching than  what opening he is teaching to you...any opening can be well explained and easy to understand...

experiment a bit   there are a lot of good books, videos and great teachers outhere

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Natural_Confidence wrote:
Canyouknott2004 wrote:
TheBeard wrote:

My advice?

Stop trying to focus on an opening until you know *why* the opening works. Many good books were refered to you that can help you understand those concepts.

It does no good to learn a move sequence if you don't know why you are moving the pieces there... because as soon as your opponent leaves your pre-set move routine, you won't know where to progress.

I understant that, so what recommendations of easier enought to understand openings for black

this may be more depending on who is doing the teaching than  what opening he is teaching to you...any opening can be well explained and easy to understand...

experiment a bit   there are a lot of good books, videos and great teachers outhere

Thanks for the advice :)