From 8.1a of the FIDE rules, no it is not allowed:
It is forbidden to write the moves in advance, unless the player is claiming a draw according to Article 9.2, or 9.3 or adjourning a game according to Appendix E.1 a.
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Martin's right.
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not good for me .... writing legal moves helps me to concentrate and investigate every move in more depth
If you mean listing all legal moves, that's no either; you're not allowed to take any written notes (which listing legal moves would fall into). Martin_Stahl looks like to have interpreted your question as "writing down the move on the scoresheet before executing it on the board".
Sep 17, 2014
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#7
tigerprowl5 wrote:
I have seen players (Hou Yifan in particular) jot something down on her scoresheet like she was taking notes before there was an actual move made. It's quite possible she did this while it was the other player's turn.
Maybe it is an old rule but not enforced much today. I see Martin's quote also mentions adjourned games which happens a lot less in current chess.
Is probebly moves she forgot to write down, because you are allowed to be one or two moves behind on writing(I think I had heard that, bt I'm not sure)
Sep 17, 2014
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#8
bobyyyy wrote:
It is forbidden to write the moves in advance, unless the player is claiming a draw according to Article 9.2, or 9.3 or adjourning a game according to Appendix E.1 a.
That's nitpicking I have never seen enforced.
You have probably played using USCF rules. I don't know if the rule has changed with the publication of the 6th edition this year, but in the past the USCF allowed writing the move before it was made if you were using a paper scoresheet.
Sep 17, 2014
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#9
tigerprowl5 wrote:
"Is probebly moves she forgot to write down"
Another idea occurred to me is that she might have been noting her time after taking a breather from the board.
also possible
It surprises me that modern rule books still have sections on adjournments !? Why do they ? Arent adjournments extinct these days ? As for writing the move down and only then playing it this is what I did , and prefer still , for decades and now its frowned upon . I recall some of my earlier chess books used to recommend doing this , in order to do a " blunder check " before actually playing the move on the board . I think it is very over the top to enforce this rule myself .
Just a question about the capture-symbol
If I capture a piece, is it allowed to write:
1.e4 d5 2.ed5:?
or have I to write
1.e4 d5 2.exd5?
I think it is popular to drop all symbols for captures now , many books have done so . 2 ed5 would be enough but 2 exd5 is also correct .
Sep 17, 2014
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Reb skrev:
It surprises me that modern rule books still have sections on adjournments !? Why do they ? Arent adjournments extinct these days ? As for writing the move down and only then playing it this is what I did , and prefer still , for decades and now its frowned upon . I recall some of my earlier chess books used to recommend doing this , in order to do a " blunder check " before actually playing the move on the board . I think it is very over the top to enforce this rule myself .
In the club I played we enforced this rule. in my book it should count as touching a piece.
if e.g. write down e3 you have to play it.
otb chess is a mental game. the notation paper is only a tool for recording moves.
Sep 17, 2014
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#14
bobyyyy skrev:
It is forbidden to write the moves in advance, unless the player is claiming a draw according to Article 9.2, or 9.3 or adjourning a game according to Appendix E.1 a.
That's nitpicking I have never seen enforced.
I played against one did it 3 times in a game. I told the tournament leader and he stopped him doing so.
He kept writing a move and then erase it then write a new one all the time all time before moving. It is so annoying.
the rule is already enforced many places.
I think USCF rules still permit the player to write the move first and then play it but a new rule book has just come out I believe and it may have changed , I dont know . The USCF and FIDE rules differ , this is something to keep in mind . Most Americans dont often ( if ever ) play under FIDE rules and most non-Americans rarely , if ever , play under USCF rules .
Sep 17, 2014
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#16
bobyyyy skrev:
It is forbidden to write the moves in advance, unless the player is claiming a draw according to Article 9.2, or 9.3 or adjourning a game according to Appendix E.1 a.
That's nitpicking I have never seen enforced.
just a question if it is not intented to be used why to you think the rule exist?
FIDE would never create a rule just to nitpick.
every rule has a reason and meant to be enforced.
otherwise what rule do we not enforce next time.
rules that will never be enforced should be deleted rather than ignored.
Sep 17, 2014
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#17
Reb skrev:
I think USCF rules still permit the player to write the move first and then play it but a new rule book has just come out I believe and it may have changed , I dont know . The USCF and FIDE rules differ , this is something to keep in mind . Most Americans dont often ( if ever ) play under FIDE rules and most non-Americans rarely , if ever , play under USCF rules .
if I read it correct it has changed
http://www.uschess.org/docs/gov/reports/RulebookChanges.pdf
TD TIP: TDs may penalize a player that is in violation of 20C. "Use of notes prohibited" if the player is first writing the move and repeatedly altering that move on their scoresheet before completing a move on the board.
I think there are rules that arent enforced unless one of the players complains . If any player complains then the arbiter/td is required to act ...
Sep 17, 2014
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#19
bobbyDK wrote:
bobyyyy skrev:
It is forbidden to write the moves in advance, unless the player is claiming a draw according to Article 9.2, or 9.3 or adjourning a game according to Appendix E.1 a.
That's nitpicking I have never seen enforced.
just a question if it is not intented to be used why to you think the rule exist?
FIDE would never create a rule just to nitpick.
every rule has a reason and meant to be enforced.
otherwise what rule do we not enforce next time.
rules that will never be enforced should be deleted rather than ignored.
We should draw the clear line between rules of chess (to be respected) and pointless rules of FIDE (to be ignored).
The rule forbidding to write the move first belongs to the second category.
Sep 17, 2014
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#20
bobbyDK wrote:
Reb skrev:
I think USCF rules still permit the player to write the move first and then play it but a new rule book has just come out I believe and it may have changed , I dont know . The USCF and FIDE rules differ , this is something to keep in mind . Most Americans dont often ( if ever ) play under FIDE rules and most non-Americans rarely , if ever , play under USCF rules .
if I read it correct it has changed
http://www.uschess.org/docs/gov/reports/RulebookChanges.pdf
TD TIP: TDs may penalize a player that is in violation of 20C. "Use of notes prohibited" if the player is first writing the move and repeatedly altering that move on their scoresheet before completing a move on the board.
I haven't seen the newest rulebook yet, still have to buy it, but as far as I know the notation rule hasn't changed much yet. The default rule is to move then notate, same as FIDE.
However, in the Rule Changes PDF, you also have to look at the following, which actually allows writing the move down first in USCF events, though it is mostly up to the TD how to handle it:
15A. (Variation I)
Paper scoresheet variation.
The player using a paper scoresheet may first make the move, and then write it on the scoresheet, or vice versa. This variation does not need to be advertised in advance. The scoresheet shall be visible to the arbiter (tournament directors) and the opponent throughout the game.
TD TIP: TDs may penalize a player that is in violation of 20C. "Use of notes prohibited" if the player is first writing the move and repeatedly altering that move on their scoresheet before completing a move on the board.
Is it allowed to write down legal moves before making a move ?