Chess Soon Dead?

I know it has been spoken of before, but I would like to hear some fresh responses to chess being a game no longer played by humans due to computer intelligence.. Won't chess be solved soon? I mean.. With the grandmaster intelligence I am sure they will be able to study the computer's perfect games and never make another mistake in chess.

Well, if you think about it, there may be, somewhere out there, the "ultimate" game, where each player makes the best move at every opportunity. You, or any grandmaster can study this game as much as you like, but that doesn't mean you will play the same perfect game as the computer. Pretty soon someone will make a different move than the computer made, and it will be back to the finite intelligence of humanity. So, no, I don't think chess will ever die.

Well if, as you say, the computers make the perfect move at their every opportunity then no other move would do the player any better, in fact it would result in that player having a worsened position because of the player's flawed move... What I am trying to ask is when computers do solve chess will chess not be played anymore? I am sure it will, for a while anyway, but ultimately what is the point if one man can simply ask any random computer in the world to play a perfect game.. 

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Why would we play chess? Simply because it's such an entertaining game! And besides, how many computers would there be that could do those monumental calculations? Very few at the most, and these would certainly not be publicly available. Chess will live on...

Games likes Tic Tac Toe are pretty much solved by computers, yet people still play them all the time. Because they are fun.

Actually Tic Tac Toe is a draw with no mistakes it is easily solvable even by most children 10 years of age.

Chess isn't about creating the perfect game, it's the dynamic struggle between two players that makes it enjoyable.

It may be a shock that computers can find great moves, but even today that's true and people still play -- I think as time goes on it will actually be less of an issue and of course people will still enjoy playing.

But that doesn't stop most kids from playing 50+ "cat's games" in a row.

if both ppl know the perfect game ends in white winning . Nobody in there right mind as black will play the exact right moves. By simply changing the second more you have changed it into a million+ diffrent endings. So Tech I dont think there is a perfect game out there. because if the perfect game ends in black losing that isnt perfect for black.

  As it stands now the best computers are way better by 100+ points then the best top players. Yet chess is really doing better then it ever has. More players are making a living at it today then ever have. IF anything by the computers beating the best it has made the game even more popular. The only thing that has killed chess here in the US is poker. Not computers.

Yes, but if perfect games could always be repeated then obviously the entertainment value of the game will dramatically decline. As to your bit on computers which can perform monumental calculations not being available to the public.. I remember reading about humanity in exponential times.. It was three men who had done quite a bit of research and stated that in the year 2013 "a supercomputer will be built that exceeds the computational capabilities of the human brain", then they said it was predicted that by the year 2049 "a $1,000 computer will exceed the computational capabilities of the entire human species". It is obvious that technology is increasing at a dramatic rate and I do think that chess needs to be sweating right about now..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmz5qYbKsvM if you wish to see the video

Since the computational abilities of a child remain unknown, you sound as if you want to buy the Brooklyn Bridge from me. Do you think about these claims at all? Or do just repeat, like a parrot, what you hear? How can anyone make a statement like "computers will exceed the computational capabilities of the entire human species", and not only do you believe it, you actually imply you understand what the hell that claim means? Completely absurd. I do own the Brooklyn Bridge, and you can buy it cheap.

Computes can play Tetris with perfection and no one cares; they still play the game.

Well maybe freestyle chess and computer chess tournaments will die, but chess between two humans will never die.

I'm not sure what the future of chess will be like as opening theory, which is already very deep, continues to deepen, though.

tryst, I am not trying to repeat anything like a parrot, I was only posting those claims to perhaps intrigue people about the advancement of technology, same as with the whole video... But it SHOULD be obvious to any human living in a non 3rd world country that technology is increasing at a dramatic rate. Computers as it is are 100+ points more advanced in chess than the world's best human players now, right? How more advanced do you think they will be in the next decade, or two or three decades? It is almost inconceivable really, the abilities technology will possess in this generation of teenagers to adults.. Today's teenagers will probably be of the last generations of humans to ever play the game again.

Ziryab yes I am sure computers can play Tetris with perfection but chess is quite different than Tetris, is it not?

So what if a computer can play perfect, you can still compete against other people and yourself. Are you anywhere near perfection in your own games? As I see it, only the people who are contending to be the absolute best in the world should worry about a computer that can always beat them. For the 99% of us who aren't at that level, there's a lifetime to be spent improving and enjoying the battles. This question always seems to be asked by people who are not very serious about improving their own game, perhaps looking for a reason to not even try. I see no other reason for endlessly hypothesizing what will happen when a computer can play perfect chess (which I believe will happen but it doesn't lessen the fun of playing humans at all).

It ultimately comes down to the reason most people play chess, it's fun.

But that is just it really yoshtodd, us average players may not care about a computer knowing how to play chess with perfection, but the ones who put everything they have into the game, those who make a living from the game, those world champions! If I could play anyone, greatest player or non greatest player, and just type a position and move into my traveling laptop and and have it reply with the 100% best move to play, isn't the value of good chess playing among humans somewhat tarnished?

People truly act like the argument is closed and inevitable. The human still has  to understand what "solved" means. Computers at best, may redefine what "solved" means, but more than likely humans would realize the limits of their programming capabilities instead of the computers computational capabilities.

Yup, I have to agree here.  Excellent points.  :)