Chess titles for life (Serious discussion)
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Maybe because chess players aren’t athletes.
LeoLOL87 wrote:
Why do Chess game/players called themselves a sport/athletes but you keep GM and other titles for life whereas sports teams change titles every year like Champions League or their own league, such as the Premier League and chess is more equivalent to esports than a regular sport (soccer/football/basketball where it's physical and sweat inducing) and even in esports (like League of Legends/Dota2) they change title every year? Some of the GMs can't even beat IM/CM/FM titled players, lol. Not even trolling. Someone explain to me please.
A title is like an accomplishment made by the player, for example, if a team won the world cup they would be known as the winning team that year. chess titles are (sort of) like that, you never lose the accomplishment after that (unless it was found out you were cheating)
Jalex13 wrote:
Maybe because chess players aren’t athletes.
Thank you but that doesn't stop themselves from calling "athletes." 
Well they can call themselves whatever they like. Oh well. I guess they just keep their gm titles because they are like a public sign that this player has achieved this. Similar to Messi winning the Ball’on dor. He will have all those achievements for life.
Jalex13 wrote:
Well they can call themselves whatever they like. Oh well. I guess they just keep their gm titles because they are like a public sign that this player has achieved this. Similar to Messi winning the Ball’on dor. He will have all those achievements for life.
No, Messi would be known for winning a ballon d'or in these years (put the years where he won the ballon d'or) for life. Whereas Chess players put an effort, became a GM and then that's it. No more effort in and known as a GM for the rest of their life.
Well I guess I can’t answer your question lol
LeoLOL87 wrote:
Jalex13 wrote:
Well they can call themselves whatever they like. Oh well. I guess they just keep their gm titles because they are like a public sign that this player has achieved this. Similar to Messi winning the Ball’on dor. He will have all those achievements for life.
No, Messi would be known for winning a ballon d'or in these years (put the years where he won the ballon d'or) for life. Whereas Chess players put an effort, became a GM and then that's it. No more effort in and known as a GM for the rest of their life.
the majority of GM's put in effort even after getting the title, it's the inactive ones that you're referencing that will lose to lower rated/titled players. its not a fair comparison because who expects a 60+ year old sports player to achieve anything?
I like it, how the system is. You work super hard to get that title and then you get to keep it. Even if you grow old and not any longer at peak you still get to keep the title and you have earned the respect the title gives you.
What I dont like is some titles like CM where I see some lower rated players have gotten somehow. It milks the titles out and makes them less valuable.
Surtrd wrote:
LeoLOL87 wrote:
Jalex13 wrote:
Well they can call themselves whatever they like. Oh well. I guess they just keep their gm titles because they are like a public sign that this player has achieved this. Similar to Messi winning the Ball’on dor. He will have all those achievements for life.
No, Messi would be known for winning a ballon d'or in these years (put the years where he won the ballon d'or) for life. Whereas Chess players put an effort, became a GM and then that's it. No more effort in and known as a GM for the rest of their life.
the majority of GM's put in effort even after getting the title, it's the inactive ones that you're referencing that will lose to lower rated/titled players. its not a fair comparison because who expects a 60+ year old sports player to achieve anything?
Lol, you keep comparing chess players to sports players where it's nowhere near close to compare, one is physical/sweat inducing, whereas in chess you keep sitting in front of a computer/a board. Athletes change titles (sure they will be known for winning a title in 2002 for life but the title "change" every year).
LeoLOL87 wrote:
Surtrd wrote:
LeoLOL87 wrote:
Jalex13 wrote:
Well they can call themselves whatever they like. Oh well. I guess they just keep their gm titles because they are like a public sign that this player has achieved this. Similar to Messi winning the Ball’on dor. He will have all those achievements for life.
No, Messi would be known for winning a ballon d'or in these years (put the years where he won the ballon d'or) for life. Whereas Chess players put an effort, became a GM and then that's it. No more effort in and known as a GM for the rest of their life.
the majority of GM's put in effort even after getting the title, it's the inactive ones that you're referencing that will lose to lower rated/titled players. its not a fair comparison because who expects a 60+ year old sports player to achieve anything?
Lol, you keep comparing chess players to sports players where it's nowhere near close to compare, one is physical/sweat inducing, whereas in chess you keep sitting in front of a computer/a board. Athletes change titles (sure they will be known for winning a title in 2002 for life but the title "change" every year).
they are both games, no? if you achieve something in any aspect, it stays with you forever. a chess title and a title for any other sport shows that you did the required amount of stuff to get it. if you have 2500 FIDE ELO and enough norms, you are a GM. if you win a tournament, you are the winner of said tournament. that's all im comparing it to. it does not matter if the title changes every year, im simply stating that they have done what they needed to do to earn it. if someone wins a title, it's theirs. permanently. end of story. just because the sports may be different, the titles are still permanent
There's no problem at all. Titles commemorate lifetime achievements, the rating list shows current strength. What's the problem?
Laskersnephew wrote:
There's no problem at all. Titles commemorate lifetime achievements, the rating list shows current strength. What's the problem?
^ literally what i've been trying to get across the whole time
Surtrd wrote:
LeoLOL87 wrote:
Surtrd wrote:
LeoLOL87 wrote:
Jalex13 wrote:
Well they can call themselves whatever they like. Oh well. I guess they just keep their gm titles because they are like a public sign that this player has achieved this. Similar to Messi winning the Ball’on dor. He will have all those achievements for life.
No, Messi would be known for winning a ballon d'or in these years (put the years where he won the ballon d'or) for life. Whereas Chess players put an effort, became a GM and then that's it. No more effort in and known as a GM for the rest of their life.
the majority of GM's put in effort even after getting the title, it's the inactive ones that you're referencing that will lose to lower rated/titled players. its not a fair comparison because who expects a 60+ year old sports player to achieve anything?
Lol, you keep comparing chess players to sports players where it's nowhere near close to compare, one is physical/sweat inducing, whereas in chess you keep sitting in front of a computer/a board. Athletes change titles (sure they will be known for winning a title in 2002 for life but the title "change" every year).
they are both games, no? if you achieve something in any aspect, it stays with you forever. a chess title and a title for any other sport shows that you did the required amount of stuff to get it. if you have 2500 FIDE ELO and enough norms, you are a GM. if you win a tournament, you are the winner of said tournament. that's all im comparing it to. it does not matter if the title changes every year, im simply stating that they have done what they needed to do to earn it. if someone wins a title, it's theirs. permanently. end of story. just because the sports may be different, the titles are still permanent
I don't think you understand the nuance. Athletes/sports teams/esports athletes/esports teams win a title in say 2021 and sure they will be known for winning that title for the rest of their life and the title change to another team or if they can retain it the next year but chess, where they called themselves a sport/"athletes" (don't make me laugh), put in an effort once and be known as the GM/IM/FM/CM for the rest of their life.
LeoLOL87 wrote:
Surtrd wrote:
LeoLOL87 wrote:
Surtrd wrote:
LeoLOL87 wrote:
Jalex13 wrote:
Well they can call themselves whatever they like. Oh well. I guess they just keep their gm titles because they are like a public sign that this player has achieved this. Similar to Messi winning the Ball’on dor. He will have all those achievements for life.
No, Messi would be known for winning a ballon d'or in these years (put the years where he won the ballon d'or) for life. Whereas Chess players put an effort, became a GM and then that's it. No more effort in and known as a GM for the rest of their life.
the majority of GM's put in effort even after getting the title, it's the inactive ones that you're referencing that will lose to lower rated/titled players. its not a fair comparison because who expects a 60+ year old sports player to achieve anything?
Lol, you keep comparing chess players to sports players where it's nowhere near close to compare, one is physical/sweat inducing, whereas in chess you keep sitting in front of a computer/a board. Athletes change titles (sure they will be known for winning a title in 2002 for life but the title "change" every year).
they are both games, no? if you achieve something in any aspect, it stays with you forever. a chess title and a title for any other sport shows that you did the required amount of stuff to get it. if you have 2500 FIDE ELO and enough norms, you are a GM. if you win a tournament, you are the winner of said tournament. that's all im comparing it to. it does not matter if the title changes every year, im simply stating that they have done what they needed to do to earn it. if someone wins a title, it's theirs. permanently. end of story. just because the sports may be different, the titles are still permanent
I don't think you understand the nuance. Athletes/sports teams/esports athletes/esports teams win a title in say 2021 and sure they will be known for winning that title for the rest of their life but chess, where they called themselves a sport/"athletes (don't make me laugh), put in an effort once and be known as the GM/IM/FM/CM for the rest of their life.
what prevents any other player in any other sport from "putting in an effort once" and then retiring? literally nothing, they play the game because they want to, or because they cant do anything else. the only difference in your statement was simply that they put in an effort once. you are implying that players like Magnus and Ian are no different from your average 2500 GM. yet they reached 2500 years ago, how do you think they achieved 2750+? that alone proves that they dont "put in an effort once"
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LeoLOL87 wrote:
Jalex13 wrote:
Well they can call themselves whatever they like. Oh well. I guess they just keep their gm titles because they are like a public sign that this player has achieved this. Similar to Messi winning the Ball’on dor. He will have all those achievements for life.
No, Messi would be known for winning a ballon d'or in these years (put the years where he won the ballon d'or) for life. Whereas Chess players put an effort, became a GM and then that's it. No more effort in and known as a GM for the rest of their life.
Yes this! Being a GM in chess is like being in the Hall of Fame for sports.
simply put:
if a CM wants to be a GM, they must first improve to the skill level of a FM, After that, the FM needs to be the skill level of an IM, so on so forth. in your mind, they somehow "put in an effort once" and that differentiates them from other esports players? they just magically go from wherever they were and put in some effort and *poof* GM. how do you think people get better at anything? they work. improving your skill is gradual, you dont just go from newbie to master in one moment
edit: blocked for disagreeing? thats a little petty of you, but sure. Unfollowed, have fun arguing
The OP seems to be seriously confused. There is a chess title that only one player at a time can hold: World Champion. Gary Kasparov and Vishy Anand are introduced as "former world champions." But Grandmaster is an entirely different kind of title. It's a lifetime title representing a level of achievement. There is also a rating list showing every player's current rating. It's really not that hard
Also, almost forgot to mention. Esports (dota 2 at least) they have divisions, meaning you can win the title (the international) and you could get demoted to division 2 if you keep playing poorly. Whereas in Chess you only have promotions and no demotions. A lot of sports teams also have divisions, soccer for example (not American sports obviously).
Chess wants to be known as a sport/athletes (players) but retain very little qualities associated with an actual sport, LMAO.
Why do Chess game/players called themselves a sport/athletes but you keep GM and other titles for life whereas sports teams change titles every year like Champions League or their own league, such as the Premier League and chess is more equivalent to esports than a regular sport (soccer/football/basketball where it's physical and sweat inducing) and even in esports (like League of Legends/Dota2) they change title every year? Some of the GMs can't even beat IM/CM/FM titled players, lol. Not even trolling. Someone explain to me please.