Chess vs IQ

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BlackLawliet
Optimissed wrote:

I agree to an extent, but keep in mind that many, if not all of the top players have IQs of 175+ landing them 15 points above the super-genius category, so I do think there is a correlation.>>

No way is 160 "super genius". It's at the bottom end of the "very bright spectrum".

Actually, according to the Historical IQ Classification Table, an IQ of 140 is already classified as genius or near genius, with an IQ of 160 being well above that, in the top 99.997 percentile. Perhaps we are talking about different IQ scales....?

BlackLawliet
Optimissed wrote:
BlackLawliet wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

I agree to an extent, but keep in mind that many, if not all of the top players have IQs of 175+ landing them 15 points above the super-genius category, so I do think there is a correlation.>>

No way is 160 "super genius". It's at the bottom end of the "very bright spectrum".

Actually, according to the Historical IQ Classification Table, an IQ of 140 is already classified as genius or near genius, with an IQ of 160 being well above that, in the top 99.997 percentile. Perhaps we are talking about different IQ scales....?

That hasn't been complied by geniuses, then. A lot of people with IQs around 130 to 135 think they're really bright but it's a big fish, small pond thing, so they think they're really bright and they latch onto the idea that genius starts at 140, which has, I suppose, been propagated by egalitarians!

The thing is, just because someone says something doesn't mean it's true. Of course, I'm included. The World is full of people making claims and trying to stake out some territory on a "professional" basis. You should be sceptical, especially when the claims really defy common sense. 140 is simply too common an IQ level to be "genius", which is reserved for something much more special. I'm even talking about a different way of thinking. Much faster, much more accurate. Imagine a person who can work something out in three minutes using sparse evidence that it might take a team of scientists three years to discover. That's what genius is. Not the plodding efforts of the scientists, who will have IQs most probably in the 130 to 145 range.

I really think that were referring about different IQ scales. A 140 IQ (on the standard scale) is the top 99th percentile and above, and it is here that psychologists find this "higher level of thinking" which you are talking about.

PunchboxNET
zaskar wrote:

ELO=IQ x 10, still nothing much with an IQ of 135+

Carlsen has over 2800 ELO and doesn’t have an IQ of 280

BlackLawliet

Haha, good point.

PunchboxNET

Oh yeah i have 118 IQ

JackRoach

I think the more you play chess, the less IQ you have, because what are the chances of a chess problem being on an IQ test? Also the more you do chess the less you do something useful.

TestPatzer

When I was new to chess, I hit a wall at around the 1100 range, and stayed there for quite a long time.

I was determined (even angry), but no matter how hard I tried, other 1100 players continually picked me apart at the board.

Move more than a decade forward in time, and I'm now over a thousand Elo points stronger. And I'm quite confident that my chess ability will continue to rise, as long as I continue to study and learn more about the game.

Does that mean my IQ suddenly elevated, along the way? Did I become more intelligent? Will any future increases in my chess rating prove that I'm becoming even more intelligent, still?

I don't think so. (Certainly not in any way that extends beyond chess, at least.) I'm quite sure my IQ is roughly the same as it was back then. Perhaps it's even lower, now.

So what explains the increase in chess rating? I believe the answer is absurdly simple: Studying. Analyzing. Not IQ, but learning.

I mean, sure, we could argue that one's IQ gets "expressed" in how efficiently one learns and retains information (in regards to chess, specifically), or how far one's learning can take them. But is that really true, or are we just hand waving and mystifying intelligence and its relationship to chess, turning the concept into something almost magical, when it's really not magical at all?

MMTMIT
Optimissed wrote:

Incidentally, 99.997% means three in 100,000. If the population of the UK is 60 millions, that means there's less than two thousand people with IQs of 160 or more, based on the figures you gave me. I would, at a guess, think those figures are on the generous side but I might be wrong, based on the memory I have of 170 IQ corresponding to 0.00001 of a population. Still, there's bound to be variation in the results achieved by different methods or samples.

The population of the USA is about 330 millions so, again based on the figures you gave, it corresponds to 10,000 people in the USA with IQs of 160 or more.

Sticking with an assessment that "160 is the beginning of the very bright range", I'm prepared to believe that genius or near genius starts at 160. Maybe 155, even, although Mensa measured my wife at 156, apparently. She's certainly very bright. Maybe she is a genius, in a way. She's an extremely talented psychotherapist. But a genius?

Whatever. But I would caution against latching onto figures that **you might want to believe** because there will be very many conflicting opinions and figures out there.

Sorry, but I don't think your IQ is 170.

BlackLawliet
Optimissed wrote:

Incidentally, 99.997% means three in 100,000. If the population of the UK is 60 millions, that means there's less than two thousand people with IQs of 160 or more, based on the figures you gave me. I would, at a guess, think those figures are on the generous side but I might be wrong, based on the memory I have of 170 IQ corresponding to 0.00001 of a population. Still, there's bound to be variation in the results achieved by different methods or samples.

The population of the USA is about 330 millions so, again based on the figures you gave, it corresponds to 10,000 people in the USA with IQs of 160 or more.

Sticking with an assessment that "160 is the beginning of the very bright range", I'm prepared to believe that genius or near genius starts at 160. Maybe 155, even, although Mensa measured my wife at 156, apparently. She's certainly very bright. Maybe she is a genius, in a way. She's an extremely talented psychotherapist. But a genius?

Whatever. But I would caution against latching onto figures that **you might want to believe** because there will be very many conflicting opinions and figures out there.

Do you believe that Albert Einstein is a super-genius. The obvious answer is yes, right? He changed the world with his work in scientific fields, and his quadratic equations are used in scientific fields daily, and everybody has heard about his famous e=mc2. His IQ was 160, so according to you, he was a "moderately bright person". I don't think that's a fair assessment.

Piernas-Largas
BlackLawliet escribió:

 

Hello everyone,

I was curious about what the correlation between Chess and IQ was, so I decided to make this thread. If you are willing to, it would be helpful if you could post your IQ ONLY if tested by a psychologist, (No results from online tests, etc.), your rating for the time control which you play play most, (No variants), and how long you have been playing, (Amount of years + Left-over amount of months. If you are comfortable, age would be helpful, but not required.

If I get enough requests, I will post another thread sharing the data.

Thankyou!

Hey,

I like a lot your idea and I think it is very interesting. I think I can help you. At the high school I was very bored and all was very easy for me, so a psychologist made me a IQ test. At the end of all the tests, the result was an IQ of 135. Also, I have been playing chess since I was 5 year old. So I have been playing chess for the last 9 years (Because I have 14), but I have to confess that in the last few year I didn't play as much as I would like. So I expect that this information can help you. 

MMTMIT
BlackLawliet wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Incidentally, 99.997% means three in 100,000. If the population of the UK is 60 millions, that means there's less than two thousand people with IQs of 160 or more, based on the figures you gave me. I would, at a guess, think those figures are on the generous side but I might be wrong, based on the memory I have of 170 IQ corresponding to 0.00001 of a population. Still, there's bound to be variation in the results achieved by different methods or samples.

The population of the USA is about 330 millions so, again based on the figures you gave, it corresponds to 10,000 people in the USA with IQs of 160 or more.

Sticking with an assessment that "160 is the beginning of the very bright range", I'm prepared to believe that genius or near genius starts at 160. Maybe 155, even, although Mensa measured my wife at 156, apparently. She's certainly very bright. Maybe she is a genius, in a way. She's an extremely talented psychotherapist. But a genius?

Whatever. But I would caution against latching onto figures that **you might want to believe** because there will be very many conflicting opinions and figures out there.

Do you believe that Albert Einstein is a super-genius. The obvious answer is yes, right? He changed the world with his work in scientific fields, and his quadratic equations are used in scientific fields daily, and everybody has heard about his famous e=mc2. His IQ was 160, so according to you, he was a "moderately bright person". I don't think that's a fair assessment.

Which IQ test did Einstein take?

BlackLawliet

I believe the WAIS

PunchboxNET

I’ll give you the data for me:118 IQ, 750 blitz, 2 years 6 months if counting OTB, 6 months with chess.com.

BlackLawliet
Piernas-Largas wrote:
BlackLawliet escribió:

 

Hello everyone,

I was curious about what the correlation between Chess and IQ was, so I decided to make this thread. If you are willing to, it would be helpful if you could post your IQ ONLY if tested by a psychologist, (No results from online tests, etc.), your rating for the time control which you play play most, (No variants), and how long you have been playing, (Amount of years + Left-over amount of months. If you are comfortable, age would be helpful, but not required.

If I get enough requests, I will post another thread sharing the data.

Thankyou!

Hey,

I like a lot your idea and I think it is very interesting. I think I can help you. At the high school I was very bored and all was very easy for me, so a psychologist made me a IQ test. At the end of all the tests, the result was an IQ of 135. Also, I have been playing chess since I was 5 year old. So I have been playing chess for the last 9 years (Because I have 14), but I have to confess that in the last few year I didn't play as much as I would like. So I expect that this information can help you. 

Thank you!

BlackLawliet
PunchboxNET wrote:

I’ll give you the data for me:118 IQ, 750 blitz, 2 years 6 months if counting OTB, 6 months with chess.com.

Thank you!

MMTMIT
BlackLawliet wrote:

I believe the WAIS

You made that up.

BlackLawliet

No, it stands for Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale.

llama47

Richard Feynman, the Nobel Prize winning theoretical physicist, took an IQ test administered in high school scoring a 125. Soon after he took a few more tests...

Physicist Stephen Hsu explains:

"Feynman received the highest score in the United States by a large margin on the notoriously difficult Putnam mathematics competition exam ... He also had the highest scores on record on the math/physics graduate admission exams at Princeton"


Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman

BlackLawliet

Very interesting.

MMTMIT
BlackLawliet wrote:

Very interesting.

No. Show me a reliable source saying that Einstein took the WAIS.