Chess Will Never Be Solved. Why?

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not_cl0ud
omanmenar wrote:
100% or not analyzed, I don’t care. Even masters will not care. But i say, just enjoy playing. 😉

Very true

Big_Mac01

The reason it can never be 100% analyzed is because based on who is playing a good move could be a blunder to the code that is analyzing it. And besides, it can never be 100% accurate

not_cl0ud
Big_Mac01 wrote:

The reason it can never be 100% analyzed is because based on who is playing a good move could be a blunder to the code that is analyzing it. And besides, it can never be 100% accurate

👍

not_cl0ud
Big_Mac01 wrote:

The reason it can never be 100% analyzed is because based on who is playing a good move could be a blunder to the code that is analyzing it. And besides, it can never be 100% accurate

Hi @Big_Mac01

not_cl0ud

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not_cl0ud

I didn't have premium before and I didn't even bother to use analysis. Besides, I work it out myself. Who cares about analysis...? The experience you learn in is the strategic play in the game, not the analysis. Any normal engine can analyze the position. The REAL learning is the live experience, not the afterward learning, since you cannot change a mistake or blunder post-game.

Big_Mac01

The best way to learn is to make mistakes

not_cl0ud
Big_Mac01 wrote:

The best way to learn is to make mistakes

XD but yes and true wink.png

not_cl0ud

XD

not_cl0ud
omanmenar wrote:
100% or not analyzed, I don’t care. Even masters will not care. But i say, just enjoy playing. 😉

Yeshhh...

not_cl0ud

Um hello?! XD

not_cl0ud

C:

tygxc

Can humans walk on Mars? - Yes.
Will humans walk on Mars? - Maybe, it depends on somebody authorizing some billions to build and launch a suitable spacecraft.

Can chess be 100% analysed? - Yes.
Will chess be 100% analysed? - Maybe, it depends on somebody paying some millions for 5 years of human assistants and modern computers.

tygxc

#61
Yes, it takes 5 years on the Sesse computer for 1 ECO code.

GMAaditya_aswal

I think end of 21 cen. Would bring revolution in solving chess with complete satisfying "outputs"

tygxc

#63
Technically it is already within reach of modern computers, but it takes 5 years on several Sesse type computers, which would cost a few millions. As computers get more powerful, it may be faster at lower cost.

Quantum computers are already commercially available for cloud computing and if you translate Stockfish to the Python programming language, then you can run it on a quantum computer in the cloud, which would speed up like 500 times.

tygxc

#65
It would be good advertisement for their quantum computers:
it would be in the news all over the world: "IBM quantum computer has solved chess".
It would also be a good factory acceptance test for their quantum computers
to demonstrate insensibility to errors from cosmic radiation or background radioactivity.

not_cl0ud
kingzxxxk wrote:
Chess was invented in India around the 8th century. Then it was known as chatrang, and changed over the centuries by the Arabs, Persians and then ultimately the medieval Europeans, who changed the pieces' names and appearances to resemble the English court.

Yes true

playerafar

There was another forum on this - but it suddenly mysteriously disappeared.
Anyway - there are some scientific papers and studies on this.
For example - it appears that computers have solved and accounted for all legal positions with seven chess pieces or less on board.
But not for 8 pieces or more.

There have been some attempts to scientifically solve from the openings end starting with all 32 pieces on board and in their original positions.  
But with those - all kinds of shortcuts are ventured - some of them apparently not legitimate.  

The jump in difficulty with the addition of just one more piece to 7 to start - with ten piece types to be accounted for for the new piece - and all of up to 57 squares for it to start from - to each of whatever number of billions of positions for 7 pieces  ...  could be Enormous !  

Could perhaps be analagous to comparing the time needed to travel around our star system - with travelling to the nearest other star.

The addition of each piece - multiplying the time needed.
Time to explore this arm of our Galaxy ?  the center?  The other arms ...
Intergalactic travel?  Exploring all galaxies in this Cluster ?
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tygxc

#68
I do not know where the other thread suddenly went...
There are 423,836,835,667,331 positions with 7 men.
There are 38,176,306,877,748,245 positions with 8 men.
Please notice that these contain illegal and insensible positions, but that pruning for symmetry was applied. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_tablebase