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Optimissed wrote:

Only an imaginary and non-existent universe. Positing it doesn't make it in any way real or useful.

I see.  So you can heal people with your mind, but multiple universes are out of the question wink.png.

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btickler wrote:
llama36 wrote:

Yeah, I'm way too tired for this conversation

But it's a fun topic.

And sure, I see what you mean. Math exists but may not be practical, and even then it may be difficult to discover.

This is probably not worth saying, but just in case...

For the record, the caveman math joke is from my childhood and seemed applicable given the discussion...in no way was I referring to your tiredness .

Nah, I didn't take it as a jab.

Also is it really a joke? Because I heard a story about teaching some forgotten tribe basic skills. The children were able to learn to count, but the adults struggled... because in their language and culture, it truly was  "one, two, many" heh.

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btickler wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Only an imaginary and non-existent universe. Positing it doesn't make it in any way real or useful.

I see.  So you can heal people with your mind, but multiple universes are out of the question .


I didn't know your understanding is improving. Yes to both.

More relevantly, multiple universes is conjecture that's more suited to corny sci-fi from the 50s and before. It's nonsense and there's zero evidence for it. Acually, it would be impossible to obtain evidence since another universe is wholly disconnected from other universes. Otherwise they don't count as other universes but just part of THE universe.

Before you ask for a link, I probably came up with that argument myself. I have seen it repeated recently, well over 10 years after I came up with it. I know for a fact that a lot of people read me on Facebook, back in the day.

If you can't get evidence, it doesn't count as science. It certainly isn't theory. Therefore that makes it fiction.

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Optimissed wrote:

I didn't know your understanding is improving. Yes to both.

More relevantly, multiple universes is conjecture that's more suited to corny sci-fi from the 50s and before. It's nonsense and there's zero evidence for it. Acually, it would be impossible to obtain evidence since another universe is wholly disconnected from other universes. Otherwise they don't count as other universes but just part of THE universe.

Before you ask for a link, I probably came up with that argument myself. I have seen it repeated recently, well over 10 years after I came up with it. I know for a fact that a lot of people read me on Facebook, back in the day.

If you can't get evidence, it doesn't count as science. It certainly isn't theory. Therefore that makes it fiction.

Yes, we know all about your fame and fortune on Facebook.  Thanks for not mentioning you are the top debater Facebook has ever known, that was considerate of you. 

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I actually think it's a bit weird that there are people who think you can't heal people with your mind. After all, if they believe you can't then what do they possibly know of it? It would be like people thinking swimming is impossible.

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You'd be more interesting, btickler  .... er .... if you could manage to be ineresting. Why not have a bash eh? After all, you're among friends here .... no need to be shy. Give us a shock.

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Optimissed wrote:

You'd be more interesting, btickler  .... er .... if you could manage to be ineresting. Why not have a bash eh? After all, you're among friends here .... no need to be shy. Give us a shock.

Always the overreaching and empty additional post wink.png...you really should work on that.  Just sit on your hands and find the right move, to put it in chess parlance...

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Stop with the pretentious stuff, although you do it perfectly. Over-reaching would seem to apply to you. Tell me why healing people with your mind is impossible. I'd be interested if you could manage to formulate an argument, since you always seemed to think that I couldn't put forward arguments properly and you can. I haven't seen any evidence for anything more than empty rhetoric from you .... so give it a whirl.

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No. Healing with your mind would be impossible. They'd finish up with leprosy.

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Very good but I suggest we leave it to the expert, who knows all about its non-existence.

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NervesofButter wrote:
MARattigan wrote:

No. Healing with your mind would be impossible. They'd finish up with leprosy.

The mind is a powerful thing.  And I do absolutely think that it is possible to heal yourself by being positive, thinking positive, and staying positive.  But healing someone else WITH your mind?  Gonna have to pass on that one.



I have one or two ideas regarding the nature of thought, which would mean that it's possible.

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Even staying positive enough to be healthy yourself is not easy for many or even most people because staying positive means you have to give up something.

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Optimissed wrote:

Very good but I suggest we leave it to the expert, who knows all about its non-existence.

Your ploy to get me to try to take a stand on something you know you can cast doubt on endlessly is noted, but I don't have time to waste teaching you why "mind over matter" is not possible for you.

You'll have to settle for all the other times I've blown your arguments out of the water.

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NervesofButter wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
MARattigan wrote:

No. Healing with your mind would be impossible. They'd finish up with leprosy.

The mind is a powerful thing.  And I do absolutely think that it is possible to heal yourself by being positive, thinking positive, and staying positive.  But healing someone else WITH your mind?  Gonna have to pass on that one.



I have one or two ideas regarding the nature of thought, which would mean that it's possible.

This actually did interest me at one time.  So i took the time to read and research it.  I just cant find anything that proves this possible.  Not saying it isn't possible, because im sure there are still many things we dont know about and or understand.  Im just not convinced.



I understand but it isn't a question of belief, so it isn't a question of being convinced or not. For every positive affirmation, you will find a counter-argument. It isn't something that our reason can really interpret or evaluate, unless and until there's an understanding that people's minds aren't limited to the insides of their heads. That, for the average Western mind, is quite a challenge to contemplate. And there is a sacrifice, before you can use it. Do you want to know what that sacrifice is?

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btickler wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Very good but I suggest we leave it to the expert, who knows all about its non-existence.

Your ploy to get me to try to take a stand on something you know you can cast doubt on endlessly is noted, but I don't have time to waste teaching you why "mind over matter" is not possible for you.

You'll have to settle for all the other times I've blown your arguments out of the water.


The "in your mind" version or the real one? You couldn't blow a gnat out of the water.

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Can't you do this on the Qanon site?

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NervesofButter wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
MARattigan wrote:

No. Healing with your mind would be impossible. They'd finish up with leprosy.

The mind is a powerful thing.  And I do absolutely think that it is possible to heal yourself by being positive, thinking positive, and staying positive.  But healing someone else WITH your mind?  Gonna have to pass on that one.



I have one or two ideas regarding the nature of thought, which would mean that it's possible.

This actually did interest me at one time.  So i took the time to read and research it.  I just cant find anything that proves this possible.  Not saying it isn't possible, because im sure there are still many things we dont know about and or understand.  Im just not convinced.



I understand but it isn't a question of belief, so it isn't a question of being convinced or not. For every positive affirmation you will find a counter-argument. It isn't something that our reason can really interpret or evaluate, untess and until there's an understanding that people's minds aren't limited to the insides of their heads. That, for the average western mind, is quite a challenge to contemplate. And there is a sacrifice, before you can use it. Do you want to know what that sacrifice is?

Correct me if im not understanding you here: "...it isn't a question of belief, so it isn't a question of being convinced or not. "

Are you saying that i am simply supposed to accept this as fact?


Of course not. I'm not btickler or anything like him. Some people have experiences and sometimes they reject them, usually as being inconsistent. Other times, because they can't rationalise them. Still others because they assume they're in their imagination only. You have to accept the experiences if you have them and that won't be instantaneous but you might start to notice a pattern. If you're Elroch, that's when you assume you're imagining the pattern by confirmation-bias. That happens if you can't trust yourself. You don't trust yourself if you're scared of being wrong. At least, that's one reason.

One of the sacrifices is the fear of being wrong. It IS a sacrifice because it authomatically makes you different from most others, if that happens.

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Optimissed wrote:

The "in your mind" version or the real one? You couldn't blow a gnat out of the water.

You might be hard-pressed to find someone who can blow a gnat out of the...water? wink.png

You are mixing your metaphors.  It's ships that we blow out of the water, and gnats that we shoo away from picnics.  Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

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Yes I often like to mix metaphors. One reason is that it irritates unimaginative people.

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NervesofButter wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
MARattigan wrote:

No. Healing with your mind would be impossible. They'd finish up with leprosy.

The mind is a powerful thing.  And I do absolutely think that it is possible to heal yourself by being positive, thinking positive, and staying positive.  But healing someone else WITH your mind?  Gonna have to pass on that one.



I have one or two ideas regarding the nature of thought, which would mean that it's possible.

This actually did interest me at one time.  So i took the time to read and research it.  I just cant find anything that proves this possible.  Not saying it isn't possible, because im sure there are still many things we dont know about and or understand.  Im just not convinced.



I understand but it isn't a question of belief, so it isn't a question of being convinced or not. For every positive affirmation you will find a counter-argument. It isn't something that our reason can really interpret or evaluate, untess and until there's an understanding that people's minds aren't limited to the insides of their heads. That, for the average western mind, is quite a challenge to contemplate. And there is a sacrifice, before you can use it. Do you want to know what that sacrifice is?

Correct me if im not understanding you here: "...it isn't a question of belief, so it isn't a question of being convinced or not. "

Are you saying that i am simply supposed to accept this as fact?


Of course not. I'm not btickler or anything like him. Some people have experiences and sometimes they reject them, usually as being inconsistent. Other times, because they can't rationalise them. Still others because they assume they're in their imagination only. You have to accept the experiences if you have them and that won't be instantaneous but you might start to notice a pattern. If you're Elroch, that's when you assume you're imagining the pattern by confirmation-bias. That happens if you can't trust yourself. You don't trust yourself is fou're scared of being wrong. At least, that's one reason.

One of the sacrifices is the fear of being wrong. It IS a sacrifice because it authomatically makes you different from most others, if that happens.

To the person that has experienced this it is real?  To anyone else they can believe, not believe, have doubts?


I think so. Also I admire your ability to talk about this in public.