Notable:
the opening poster here apparently closed his account two days after opening this forum.
That means nobody can be blocked here.
Chess will never be solved, here's why
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May 17, 2024
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#7182
May 17, 2024
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#7183
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The day chess will be solved by a Super-Trooper-Duper Computer, it will be EXTREMELY boring to play. In particular the solved middlegame.
May 17, 2024
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#7184
playerafar wrote:
MEGACHE3SE wrote:
As i said earlier, i think tygxc just literally doesnt have any understanding of absolute logic, and so has seen a few 'smart' things on the internet and has dunning krugered himself into the fantasy he's in.
notice how he tries to throw around fancy terms and definitions while at the same time completely missing basic logical points and analogies?
if you see tygxc as thinking along the lines of "I'm right no matter what, and ive seen a couple things on the internet that seem smart", a lot of what tygxc says make a lot more sense.
But tygxc is doing better than 'O'.
A lot better. Almost everybody is.
tygxc is pushing inaccuracies but its not identified as trolling.
Unlike 'O' he doesn't try to make everything about him and IQ tests and the like.
He's much much better than 'O'.
y. 'O' has made some legit points, demonstrated growth, and added new perspectives. tygxc has done no such thing.
May 17, 2024
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#7185
ive been on this thread for a few years too, ive seen what you are talking about.
May 17, 2024
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#7186
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
What do you mean by "complain" ...
From what I see rn he's just arguing
"You can keep not knowing and not caring plus 'caring' too.
That's seen constantly on the website.
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Ummm you sure your ok? You sound hangry
Again respectfully just be respectful that's all I'm asking. I do not care whatever dramas between you and him but settle it like grown adults instead of acting less mature than a 12 year old .
Personally i like learning about these types of things but why be so aggressive
No BC - you want me to sound 'angry' ...
Its you who is 'angry'.
Hence your 'outrage' based on ignorance.
Ignorance you've admitted by saying 'even if he is'.
Now get last post.
Other people will post under you about the actual subject which is
'chess will never be solved' ...
Its popular.
Approaching 10,000 posts in two years.
May 17, 2024
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#7187
MEGACHE3SE wrote:
playerafar wrote:
MEGACHE3SE wrote:
As i said earlier, i think tygxc just literally doesnt have any understanding of absolute logic, and so has seen a few 'smart' things on the internet and has dunning krugered himself into the fantasy he's in.
notice how he tries to throw around fancy terms and definitions while at the same time completely missing basic logical points and analogies?
if you see tygxc as thinking along the lines of "I'm right no matter what, and ive seen a couple things on the internet that seem smart", a lot of what tygxc says make a lot more sense.
But tygxc is doing better than 'O'.
A lot better. Almost everybody is.
tygxc is pushing inaccuracies but its not identified as trolling.
Unlike 'O' he doesn't try to make everything about him and IQ tests and the like.
He's much much better than 'O'.
y. 'O' has made some legit points, demonstrated growth, and added new perspectives. tygxc has done no such thing.
Under a lot of pressure from Elroch and Dio - 'O' caved in and admitted he sometimes 'doesn't understand'.
'O' is incensed and angry that he's been blocked by both of them -
something he entirely deserves.
But now 'O' decided he couldn't afford to continue as he was.
I'll quote the post that 'broke him' for now.
May 17, 2024
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#7188
Elroch wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Now, the coffee's been served but before I look at the given definition, I want to make a rhetorical arguments of "if you don't know what the information means, how can it be perfect or full".
If we imagine an analogy of a chess position in the form of a code which hasn't been broken. The earth's being attacked by Martians and we're able to pick up the coded message. But how have we got perfect information if we don't know what it means?
So similarly, a complex chess position. It may be a win for either side or perhaps a draw. We can see the position clearly but we are not capable of determining an evaluation. It's the same thing. We have the information but it's given in a code which we can't interpret. We can see the chess position but we can't tell who's winning. We can only giess, based on rules of thumb. How is that perfect information? If I had perfect information on something, I'd expect it to be understandable.
You seem confused between information and making deductions from that information.
For example, if I give the question to you:
"How many factors does the following number have: 2748132412641276392817612648721647126498127348712742077492749274927409217498127409827154012740981275012834223895821975294281275987209412734981269461290120e487120874981264978126e49712647126497124712948219272847284712841 ?"
you have complete information about the problem. That does not mean you can solve it.
This was a great post by Elroch.
Usually Dio is the best at interfering with O's trolling.
And Fester usually the best at getting O to modify his behaviour.
Dio then followed up.
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And within O's spiels - we then got this from O. That's @Optimissed.
"Yes I accept that. I often question myself as to whether I've understood something".
In other words he often fails to understand.
He would rather try to make it as about credentials and personalization and even his family. Constantly.
This time - he was broken. They didn't let him get away with that.
And he doesn't 'question himself' often Enough!
Not nearly.
May 17, 2024
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#7189
""Yes I accept that. I often question myself as to whether I've understood something".
In other words he often fails to understand."
thats the difference. at least hes intellectually honest, unlike tygxc. I would rather argue optimissed over tygxc any day.
May 17, 2024
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#7190
MEGACHE3SE wrote:
""Yes I accept that. I often question myself as to whether I've understood something".
In other words he often fails to understand."
thats the difference. at least hes intellectually honest, unlike tygxc. I would rather argue optimissed over tygxc any day.
You don't get it.
That's O on his best behaviour.
Which was 'extracted' by skilllful posts by Elroch and Dio.
You just haven't seen. But that's okay.
I expect that to happen. He manipulates you.
playerafar wrote:
Under a lot of pressure from Elroch and Dio - 'O' caved in and admitted he sometimes 'doesn't understand'.
'O' is incensed and angry that he's been blocked by both of them -
something he entirely deserves.
But now 'O' decided he couldn't afford to continue as he was.
I'll quote the post that 'broke him' for now.
Not sure the first sentence (and ergo last) is accurate. Not a lot of pressure on this thread for anyone outside of Tygxc.
May 17, 2024
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#7192
DiogenesDue wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Now, the coffee's been served but before I look at the given definition, I want to make a rhetorical arguments of "if you don't know what the information means, how can it be perfect or full".
If we imagine an analogy of a chess position in the form of a code which hasn't been broken. The earth's being attacked by Martians and we're able to pick up the coded message. But how have we got perfect information if we don't know what it means?
So similarly, a complex chess position. It may be a win for either side or perhaps a draw. We can see the position clearly but we are not capable of determining an evaluation. It's the same thing. We have the information but it's given in a code which we can't interpret. We can see the chess position but we can't tell who's winning. We can only giess, based on rules of thumb. How is that perfect information? If I had perfect information on something, I'd expect it to be understandable.
Your premise that is that you are capable of understanding any information given to you. Reams of evidence on these forums would show this to be demonstrably false. Don't feel bad, though...it's false for any and all human beings.
"Your premise that is that you are capable of understanding any information given to you. Reams of evidence on these forums would show this to be demonstrably false"
That's from Dio. Not from me.
Again - causing 'O' to concede. 'Breaking' him.
Mega - you're not watching. Its not about me.
O made another pseudointellectual statement trying to pretend that if information is perfect we ought to know who's winning.
Which doesn't follow.
Elroch then did a good job of refuting that and him.
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'O' often says pseudo-intellectual things.
'If its an opinion it can't be inaccurate'
'science is a belief system'
'vaccination weakens the immune system'.
These are 'honest'?
They are ignorant and flawed and designed to titillate science deniers ...
But that's not the key - which is his agenda to make forums as about credentialism and himself and his family and his trolling.
He'd rather a forum is locked than he doesn't dominate it.
Which happened in his trolling of Fester.
A forum can hardly breathe ... Dio and Elroch rightly blocked him.
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And that's one of the reasons I like tygxc.
He's actually outwitting some of the people here a lot of the time.
And O gets defeated trying to make this forum as about him.
Defeated. By tygxc. For years. Whether tygxc is right or wrong.
They don't realize it though.
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Dio did you block "O" of is this guy bluffing ?
Optimissed is blocked by me, yes, for violating the guidelines of the Covid thread. Almost everyone I have blocked currently is blocked for this reason
May 17, 2024
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#7194
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
I personally don't see anything wrong with the comment maybe inaccurate but not insulting in any way stop
You don't see much BC.
And like O you don't have any authority here.
Dio and Elroch refuted O.
It wasn't about me.
So you can stop trying to make it about me and stop attacking tygxc.
In other words - practice what you're preaching.
You can.
I don't think you can shut up anybody here.
O has been muted by the staff on multiple occasions for trolling people.
And Sobrukai recently warned O to stop trollling or he'd report him.
You want to shut me up?
You want to have a double standard?
You can jump in a lake pal. See ya.
May 17, 2024
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#7195
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Fair lol I'm just mad that this guy is bringing up the wrong points for reasons why /bad evidence
He can be mad at people but there's a block freatrr for a reason just use it
You want to block tygxc?
He's not disruptive of forums.
You just don't know.
You could try admitting that.
tygxc has actually been the life of this forum.
Yes I don't agree with his claims ... but he's testing people here.
Good testing. Making a good job of it.
He's promoting a lot of activity here.
May 17, 2024
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#7196
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
No I'm not blocking tygxc he hasn't intellectually insulted anyone like you have
He's not super disruptive he doesn't really take disagreements super well but then again half the people here don't
You don't know the difference between 'talking back' and 'insulting'.
And you're contradicting yourself with your own attitude.
But I don't have time.
You apparently grasp you can't shut people up here.
When you can't grasp it - you need to turn your shower on colder.
See ya. Yeah - logging off.
May 18, 2024
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#7197
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Your missing everyone's point initially you should probably calm down First before you start making angry posts just cause someone's a dumb*** doesn't mean you go insulting people for it you never know people change you are actually starting to attack people now
Just checking back in briefly.
Follow your own advice BC.
And don't make strawmen about 'calm down'.
You don't know what you're talking about.
If you were thinking this through properly you'd admit to yourself that you're 'new' and you don't know the context and to find out and then think some more about it instead of kneejerking.
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O has been 'straightened out' by Dio and Elroch about 'perfect information'.
A rare event.
But it'll likely just be temporary.
A while back O was also straightened out by Fester - who told him 'you will address others as your equals if you want good treatment' ...
It worked for a couple of days but then was too much for O.
He even tried to pretend his improved behaviour was about me - not him and Fester. That's how crazy he can get.
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'you will address others as your equals if you want good treatment'
advice most people wouldn't need - but an idea he ignores.
With the consequences. For him.
@9592
"It is necessary to deal with ALL LEGAL RESPONSES to a specific strategy"
++ No. against ALL OPPOSITION, i.e. all responses that oppose.
It is not necessary to present a full game tree after 1 e4 Nf6 2 Qh5?. We know it loses for white.
We know by logic that 1 a4 cannot be a better move than 1 e4.
So if a way is proven to draw against 1 e4, then a fortiori there is a way to draw against 1 a4.
'It is beneficial to incorporate game knowledge in solving games' - Prof. Van den Herik
'Chess is a very logical game' - Capablanca
@9627
"its impossible to claim that something loses by force until you have accounted for every possible line" ++ No. It is very well possible to claim 1 e4 Nf6 2 Qh5? loses by force without having accounted for every line.
May 18, 2024
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#7200
tygxc wrote:
@9627
"its impossible to claim that something loses by force until you have accounted for every possible line" ++ No. It is very well possible to claim 1 e4 Nf6 2 Qh5? loses by force without having accounted for every line.
This fallacy occurs when you argue that your conclusion must be true, because there is no evidence against it. This fallacy wrongly shifts the burden of proof away from the one making the claim.
try again.
Actually he's not the one complaining even if he is why do you care? That just means your pride was hurt or something that's more of a you prob not a him prob and in my experience from dealing with close minded frustrating people optimissed is more open minded than most unless he's complaining on other forums why do you care lol
Your post is wrong.
Badly premised. And you seem to be 'vaguely aware' 'even if he is'.
He complains constantly.
For ten years now.
So I didn't read past your false premise.
You and MEGA just 'don't know' apparently.
Many do know.
But that isn't 'earthshaking'.
You can keep not knowing and not caring plus 'caring' too.
That's seen constantly on the website.
Something else for you to learn ...
'caring' is not digital A or B all the time.
And being 'not passive' isn't the same as 'caring'.
They're distinct.