Chess will never be solved, here's why

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I have to say I can't understand why tygxc continues like this. All the self-appointed moral protectors of the innocent are on his case, to prevent the dastardly spreading of the malicious rumour that there was once a chess grandmaster who claimed that chess would be solved in five years, given willing helpers, the right equipment and a lot of glasses of sherry. The sweet type. Of course, his claim was impossible and therefore spreading the malicious lie that it's true cannot be tolerated. The forum police chase him everywhere.

Actually, I can't see why ty doesn't quietly drop it, since, after the year or so of teasing he would have to endure, it would be recognised that a lot of his ideas are better than those of some of his detractors.

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TheChessIntellectReturns wrote:

Imagine a chess position of X paradigms. 

Now, a chess computer rated 3000 solves that position. All well and good. 

Could another computer rated a zillion solve that position better than Rybka? 

No, because not even chess computer zillion could solve the Ruy Lopez better than a sad FIDE master could. 

the point is, there's chess positions with exact solutions. Either e4, or d4, or c4, etc. 

nothing in the world can change that. 

So if you are talking about chess as a competitive sport, then chess has already been solved by kasparov, heck, by capablanca. 

If you are talking chess as a meaningless sequence of algorithms, where solving chess equates not to logical solutions of positional and tactical prowess, but as 'how many chess positions could ensure from this one?'' type of solutions, then, the solutions are infinite. 

So can chess be solved? If it is as a competitive sport where one side must, win, then it has already been solved. Every possible BEST move in chess has been deduced long ago. 

If chess is a meaningless set of moves, with no goal in sight, then sure, chess will never be solved. 

 

 

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"Chess computer zillion" will thrash a human player >99% of the time in the Ruy Lopez, so I am not sure how you think said player has solved it!

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I think that was just the O.P. revisited.

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I see. It deserves the record -73 downvotes!

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Elroch wrote:

I see. It deserves the record -73 downvotes!

Yes it was a rather strong reaction.

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I agree that Chess will never be solved, because within the first six moves there are are around nine million possible moves. Now there are about thirty- fourty moves in typical game, so, technically, it might be possible to eventually predict all possible moves, but the number of possible moves you would have to know is outragous high. Also the amount of storage a computer would need would be huge.

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shangtsung111 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

I think that was just the O.P. revisited.

i think even the orıgınal poster meant first 5 to 7 moves of ruy lopez.which we encounter when we google it

I thought so too.

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“Which 10^17 positions?" ++ Those that show up during the solving process, all of them draw”

Yoh don’t make any room for that in your calculations .  You are assuming computing power that doesn’t exist.

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MEGACHE3SE wrote:

“Which 10^17 positions?" ++ Those that show up during the solving process, all of them draw”

Yoh don’t make any room for that in your calculations .  You are assuming computing power that doesn’t exist.

I wonder how many people will have to tell him this.

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shangtsung111 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

I think that was just the O.P. revisited.

i think even the orıgınal poster meant first 5 to 7 moves of ruy lopez.which we encounter when we google it

I see what you mean. The idea is that those moves are (likely) correct and can't be improved upon.

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Yes.

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did i ask

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Dead thread hooray?

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     Probably someone unfamiliar with the thread will put in a comment and then the same handful of die-hards will have another extensive go-around.

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Oh.
On no.

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No, it isn't.

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That's 1. Only 999 to go. (Sorry, 998.)

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wow

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MARattigan wrote:

That's 1. Only 999 to go. (Sorry, 998.)

No it's 2.