Chess will never be solved, here's why

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JavaScript781 wrote:
Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

hello

has any beaver bowler ever tried to solve it w/a 16 square or 144 sq board ?...just wondering. as it might lead to s/t - or already has.

A liitle info on 4x4.

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Also I did set out a strategy for creating algorithms to solve the middle game, several years ago. The words I used may have been too long for you.

Now if only I could beat you in a middle game oh wait...

Are you saying we've played each other??

Nah I'm too good to get you in random pool unfortenently

Elroch
Optimissed wrote:
Elroch wrote:

@Optimissed, I understand the relationship between chalk and cheese.

It is that chalk is chalk and cheese is cheese.

Likewise for science and mathematical propositions. They do not overlap.

This person is just the same.

Science has its rules and procedures. It consists of a systematic fixing of variables to discover relationships between them. Mathematics is an ideal too which is used to manipulate data in engineering and scientific projects among others, to render it into a useable mode. Yet neither depends on the other since science can be carried out with no more than simple arithmetic, as I pointed out.

Actually, there is an important point here. I hope someone has the interest to think on it.

The point is that mathematics is enormously useful in science, but strictly speaking the mathematical part - about what is abstractly true - is separate from the scientific part - applying the model to draw scientific conclusions.

For example, Fourier Theory is of enormous use in quantum mechanics. But the theory was developed long before the science even existed. Then there was a mature mathematical theory available to be applied (eg to infer the Uncertainty Principle).

But chess cannot be turned into a set of equations. Therefore, maths can have no bearing on solving chess, except statistically and tygxc's argument was statistically based.

Solving chess is a problem in combinatorial game theory. Mathematics in its broad sense is only of limited help because of the lack of generality and the arbitrariness of the problem. Thus there is less scope for clever deduction and more demand for heavy number crunching.

And statistics never helps get nearer a proof. The very best it can do is to give confidence in what needs to be proven.

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

There was no point. You're effectively a child who cannot construct even a meaningful critisism. I can't answer a point where it doesn't exist.

Average highschool level trashtalk

Thankyou, Diamond. When in Turkey, do as the Turks do, I often think. Otherwise, it will not be understood.

If only I was a diamond I would be so much richer than I am now

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Also I did set out a strategy for creating algorithms to solve the middle game, several years ago. The words I used may have been too long for you.

Now if only I could beat you in a middle game oh wait...

Are you saying we've played each other??

Nah I'm too good to get you in random pool unfortenently

Just looked at one of your games. You aren't a good player. I would beat you at classical controls.

I fool around in blitz and if I have a higher rating than you I blitz then you just have a skill issue if I'm worse than you

Actually in rapid I outplay ims half the time wanna bet who wins in classical ?

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:

I could see you were fooling but even so it means that you pick up bad habits, Almaz. I like Turkey btw. A lot.

I play around with pretty much every rating range except 3000 elo and can beat them in every time control lol so shall we see who's better ?

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Also I did set out a strategy for creating algorithms to solve the middle game, several years ago. The words I used may have been too long for you.

Now if only I could beat you in a middle game oh wait...

Are you saying we've played each other??

Nah I'm too good to get you in random pool unfortenently

Just looked at one of your games. You aren't a good player. I would beat you at classical controls.

I fool around in blitz and if I have a higher rating than you I blitz then you just have a skill issue if I'm worse than you

Actually in rapid I outplay ims half the time wanna bet who wins in classical ?

What;s your strength in FIDE rating points? My favourite speed is about 2 1/2 hours for all the moves but most games around here are 90 minutes each player or so.

I don't have a fide rating I assume I'm around 2000 not quite as good as an nm but super close

GYG
Optimissed wrote:

Just looked at one of your games. You aren't a good player. I would beat you at classical controls Almaz.

That's quite a conclusion to draw against a much higher rated player after looking at only one game.

Elroch

He's a bit higher rated than you at rapid, O. You are both decent players, IMO, but you shouldn't play him at faster time controls unless you like being walloped!

BigChessplayer665
Elroch wrote:

He's a bit higher rated than you at rapid, O. But you are both decent players, IMO.

I'm also 2200 on lichess so I'm more accurately a 2100 player I just had a bad day + 1-2 cheaters and my elo dropped on chess. com

Elroch

Lichess ratings are very different. Don't think of them as the same scale.

BigChessplayer665

Believe it or not I'm actually higher rated than txygx on rapid (I Believe somthing like 2179)

BigChessplayer665
Elroch wrote:

Lichess ratings are very different. Don't think of them as the same scale.

I don't think if them on the same scale I had the curse of being 2000 on chess.com and lichess at the same time so they are different

BigChessplayer665

But anyway you can prove me wrong by trying to beat me lol

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:

You're 1497 in Daily and that's more of an indication of how strong you are. I would have put you around that by looking at just that one blitz game. I would beat you at classical controls and also probably at rapidplay.

Anyway, all the best. Sorry we seem to be quarreling but I do think you should stop behaving like a troll. I'm sure you don't mean to but unfortunately this thread is troll-infested.

No daily is meaningless so you know why I'm 1400 daily

Because I DO NOT PLAY IT

BigChessplayer665

Daily is actually legitimately meaningless though because the player pool is too small

BigChessplayer665

But I'm completely happy if you prove me wrong

If you actually play me of course

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:

But I'm completely happy if you prove me wrong

If you actually play me of course

I would like to play you sometime.

Just message me when you want to

Elroch

Not sure how you think it is "meaningless", @BigChessplayer665. happy.png

It has 4.5 million active players up to an extremely high level. I used to be very keen, but it takes a lot of time to analyse positions to play well. I am a perfectionist though, and others are happy to play it like OTB play.

BigChessplayer665
Elroch wrote:

Not sure how you think it is "meaningless", @BigChessplayer665.

It has 4.5 million active players up to an extremely high level. I used to be very keen, but it takes a lot of time to analyse positions to play well. I am a perfectionist though, and others are happy to play it like OTB play.

I mean blitz and rapid is more accurate than daily

I meant at my level there are not that many (enough playing daily ) for me to really compare my elo to fide maybe at beginner level it can be a good metric but at 2000 plus it becomes whoever plays the most games instead of skill