Chess will never be solved, here's why

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tygxc

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"Engines are flawed and are not evaluating for perfect play"
++ That is what I say the whole time.
The provisional, heuristic engine evaluations like +0.33 play NO ROLE.
Only the end result matters: a draw by either the 7-men endgame table base,
or a prior 3-fold repetition, or a known drawn position.
We have 108 sequences of average 39 moves ending in draws.

Weakly solving Chess requires 1 way to draw after 1 e4 and 1 way after 1 d4.
We have not 1, but 4 ways to draw after 1 e4:

  1. 1 e4 e6
  2. 1 e4 c5
  3. 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nf6
  4. 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6

We have not 1, but 5 ways to draw after 1 d4:

  1. 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e6
  2. 1 d4 Nf6 3 c4 g6
  3. 1 d4 d5 2 c4 c6
  4. 1 d4 d5 2 c4 dxc4
  5. 1 d4 d5 2 c4 e6

This redundancy makes it fail safe.
Even if a pair of errors were found in one line of defense, then still 3-4 backup lines are available.

BigChessplayer665
MEGACHE3SE wrote:

tygxc we all know you are the one doing the downvoting. you are probably embarrassed at the ease of which your arguments are torn apart so you downvote to create a false sense of contention, to try to make it seem like others disagree with what im saying. there is no contention.

you are just wrong.

why havent you addressed the fact that I brought your arguments up to dozens of math majors/professors and they all found the same flaws that I pointed out to you?

Someone actually accused me of down voting because someone else down voted all the comments even tho I didn't lol

I be tired is tygxc though because it happens on other threads for me it is like 50/50

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

how much time do you spend writing all of this?

ask DDue. hed be the one to ans this.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

This is for optimissed not you lmao

i know right BC665 ?...3rd ppl in are such wimps !

heres another ex..."Only according to yourself." (Doofus DDue)

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

huh ??...no not at all Opti. u fight like a guy would-should imo happy.png .

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

Yes hamster's a Doofus. Been one as looooong as I can remember.

A whole week, huh?

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

^^ Show this to your maths professors and dozens of maths majors if you like and see what they think.

There's not a shred of anything in that diatribe to warrant showing to anyone in mathematics. There's two numbers, 108 and 100, neither of which are used in any way a 9 year old couldn't understand.

Meanwhile, the end result of your long, meandering journey is that your answer to the subject line of this thread is effectively "Yes, chess will never be solved.".

DiogenesDue
Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

how much time do you spend writing all of this?

ask DDue. hed be the one to ans this.

Go back a page, skim the posts for length and who made them, and ponder why your assertion makes no sense. Your patriarchal Don Quixote has the longest post by a country mile. Now go back several weeks...you will find I am well behind a handful of posters in terms of lengthy posts. In fact, your erstwhile hero has been complaining about it, that I am not talking on topic.

You two never are much for logic, and just grab whatever insulting assertion is closest to hand, whether believable or not.

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:
DiogenesDue wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

^^ Show this to your maths professors and dozens of maths majors if you like and see what they think.

There's not a shred of anything in that diatribe to warrant showing to anyone in mathematics. There's two numbers, 108 and 100, neither of which are used in any way a 9 year old couldn't understand.

Meanwhile, the end result of your long, meandering journey is that your answer to the subject line of this thread is effectively "Yes, chess will never be solved.".

I know I'm clever and completely off your radar but you come across as a lot duller than average. If you didn't pretend you knew everything, you could come over as average or even average to bright. If you tried hard.

Dio uses bigger words than you do

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

I know I'm clever and completely off your radar but you come across as a lot duller than average. If you didn't pretend you knew everything, you could come over as average or even average to bright. If you tried hard.

The fact that you think that diatribe was worth showing to anyone in any academic or professional setting just highlights how utterly incapable of judging such things you are. You don't know what clever is, and you don't know what brightness is, you only know whether people agree with you or not.

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
DiogenesDue wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

^^ Show this to your maths professors and dozens of maths majors if you like and see what they think.

There's not a shred of anything in that diatribe to warrant showing to anyone in mathematics. There's two numbers, 108 and 100, neither of which are used in any way a 9 year old couldn't understand.

Meanwhile, the end result of your long, meandering journey is that your answer to the subject line of this thread is effectively "Yes, chess will never be solved.".

I know I'm clever and completely off your radar but you come across as a lot duller than average. If you didn't pretend you knew everything, you could come over as average or even average to bright. If you tried hard.

Dio uses bigger words than you do

I know. He's good verbally but he does try to show off so a lot of his writing comes across as really ponderous and rather ridiculous.

You use small words against big words

Kinda silly when you try to trash talk with small brain comments right ?

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

Yes but you post nothing but drivel and personal attacks. You aren't even capable of working out why that long post I made, which probably took me at least 25 minutes, is completely on topic. Honestly, anyone with any brains is going to laugh at you and nothing other than that.. They'll see you aren't worth arguing with.

Lol, that's your attempted pivot? That your diatribe was "on topic"? Did someone say it wasn't? Tacitly admitting I was right about the lack of any real content is useful and bodes well for the fact that you can still perceive reality on occasion, so thanks for that.

BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
DiogenesDue wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

^^ Show this to your maths professors and dozens of maths majors if you like and see what they think.

There's not a shred of anything in that diatribe to warrant showing to anyone in mathematics. There's two numbers, 108 and 100, neither of which are used in any way a 9 year old couldn't understand.

Meanwhile, the end result of your long, meandering journey is that your answer to the subject line of this thread is effectively "Yes, chess will never be solved.".

I know I'm clever and completely off your radar but you come across as a lot duller than average. If you didn't pretend you knew everything, you could come over as average or even average to bright. If you tried hard.

Dio uses bigger words than you do

I know. He's good verbally but he does try to show off so a lot of his writing comes across as really ponderous and rather ridiculous.

You use small words against big words

Kinda silly when you try to trash talk with small brain comments right ?

Small words are better, citizen. They have more meaning per inch of typeface.

Strange you couldn't work that out, cobra.

Bigger words are more annoying though

They are extravagant

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

Small words are better, citizen. They have more meaning per inch of typeface.

Strange you couldn't work that out, cobra.

Careful, if you add just one or two more animals to your farcical list, you're going to forgot which is which...unless you are keeping a list on file, which would be hilarious.

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

He also misuses words because he writes words for effect rather than meaning, such as "diatribe" and "meandering", whereas to a person with only a moderate amount of IQ my post is complex makes a very good case as to why the maths bunch are wong to persecute tygxc so much, since their ideas are even more unworkable.

Demonstrate one "complex" idea anywhere in that post.

Elliotlal
Always look for weakness some times there is an ultimate blunder or a super brilliant.
BigChessplayer665
Optimissed wrote:

You're actually really jealous, hamster. If it wasn't a good post you'd have left it to be read on its own merits but you recognise that it shows all the efforts of your friends to be in error and that's enough for you. I don't think it can be refuted. Obviously not by you: I mean by someone who has a brain and can use it a bit. The point is that it is impossible to prove that even if a strong solution gave a definite result, it still couldn't be trusted to the degree of certainty that Elroch demands of the scientific side in the discussion. The argument I give against the possibility of a deductive proof is too strong, even though you won't understand why that is.

Jealous hamster trolling hmmm never heard of it

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:
dasamething wrote:

bababooooey

I'm starting to agree with you a lot more than before.

This poster listens to the Howard Stern show, a juvenile radio offering that appeals to the lowest common denominator. Bababooey is about your speed, though, so I'm not surprised you would be amused.

yocomi17hombresne

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DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

You wouldn't understand it, so don't be completely daft. What's the point?

The point is you can't do it, and you know it. Run through the whole thing, pick out anything you like and try to explain in depth why it's an interesting or complex idea. I will happily take it apart in minutes. You've already skimmed your post and realized you have nothing to offer, so you rely on the same tired excuse you make every time somebody asks you to drill down on something ridiculous you have said...you pretend you are above it all and that nobody can fathom your thought processes (which is true, at some level, but not in the way you would like to believe...).

Amusing as it is, watching you run away anytime your feet are being held to the fire starts to lose its appeal after a decade.