Chess will never be solved, here's why

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playerafar

The idea of aliens landing and telling us all about them already having solved chess - and to make it more plausible that they knew the rules being used here by long distance observation ...
or that they're subterranean aliens ... that fits better.
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its a joke but it also could be a different 'framework of discussion'.

MEGACHE3SE
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

If aliens came by and told us the solve, like it's a win for white let's say, wonder how that would affect tournament etiquette. Let's say all they told us was that the perfect game derives out of the Ruy Lopez Opening or something, would people start taking byes instead of playing as black lol?

honestly, even disregarding the whole 'aliens exist!!!' impact, it would be so incredibly humbling to humanity have something that we as a society have all agreed upon be deconstructed by superior knowledge

playerafar

Movies are made about the idea.
I'd say K-Paxx was one of them. A 'Spacey' movie. He was well cast for that. He was K.

EndgameEnthusiast2357

Well if those reports of them hovering over airforce bases and scrambling our nuclear weapon codes are true, they probably would easily figure out the rules of chess by observing us play it. But I think the whole concept of other intelligent sentient life existing within 50-100 light years of Earth is absurd. Likely only one civilization equivalent to ours every 200-500 light years or so, and none have ever visited here.

playerafar

from the web:
"How many exoplanets are within 50 light-years? 
We know of over a thousand stars within fifty lightyears and expect that about 4,000 extrasolar planets orbit these stars. About a thousand roughly earth-sized planets are thought to be in the habitable zone."
A 'sentient' rate of at least one in a thousand looks plausible there.
It can also be conjectured that 'density of sentience' numbers aren't so plausible.
In other words - plenty of places where sentients on a planet 'hook up' whether peacefully or violently or whatever with sentients of another planet of another star close enough.
And other places where the 'sentients' aren't going to 'hook up' with anybody else.
Earth could be one of that latter group.
Why? Because earth's star is relatively a long way from the nearest stars.
Lots of stars are much closer together even if they're not 'binary stars'.
So if the sentients somewhere have movies about aliens coming - they could be documentaries.

DiogenesDue
LutfozzamanBabar wrote:
The King's limited movement in Chess represents limitations in life as a man.

Tate is most definitely limited. Can't speak to the rest of men.

playerafar

A russian billionaire who's fathered over a hundred kids has now been 'limited'.

EndgameEnthusiast2357
playerafar wrote:

from the web:
"How many exoplanets are within 50 light-years? 
We know of over a thousand stars within fifty lightyears and expect that about 4,000 extrasolar planets orbit these stars. About a thousand roughly earth-sized planets are thought to be in the habitable zone."
A 'sentient' rate of at least one in a thousand looks plausible there.
It can also be conjectured that 'density of sentience' numbers aren't so plausible.
In other words - plenty of places where sentients on a planet 'hook up' whether peacefully or violently or whatever with sentients of another planet of another star close enough.
And other places where the 'sentients' aren't going to 'hook up' with anybody else.
Earth could be one of that latter group.
Why? Because earth's star is relatively a long way from the nearest stars.
Lots of stars are much closer together even if they're not 'binary stars'.
So if the sentients somewhere have movies about aliens coming - they could be documentaries.

That's just the habitable planet factor.

Not whether any life evolves at all.

Not whether any humanoid life evolves.

Not whether any humanoid life ends up becoming technologically advanced.

And only if all of that at roughly the same time Earth did in timespans of billions of years..otherwise they may have gone extinct 300 million years ago, moved their civilization to the other side of the galaxy, or will evolve but won't for another 2 billion years.

kaiwaiis

who to did

Elroch
playerafar wrote:

A russian billionaire who's fathered over a hundred kids has now been 'limited'.

Ironically, this could lead to those 100 kids having a father in prison (he's out on bail at the moment). As far as I know, he does not support them in any way.

playerafar
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:
playerafar wrote:

from the web:
"How many exoplanets are within 50 light-years? 
We know of over a thousand stars within fifty lightyears and expect that about 4,000 extrasolar planets orbit these stars. About a thousand roughly earth-sized planets are thought to be in the habitable zone."
A 'sentient' rate of at least one in a thousand looks plausible there.
It can also be conjectured that 'density of sentience' numbers aren't so plausible.
In other words - plenty of places where sentients on a planet 'hook up' whether peacefully or violently or whatever with sentients of another planet of another star close enough.
And other places where the 'sentients' aren't going to 'hook up' with anybody else.
Earth could be one of that latter group.
Why? Because earth's star is relatively a long way from the nearest stars.
Lots of stars are much closer together even if they're not 'binary stars'.
So if the sentients somewhere have movies about aliens coming - they could be documentaries.

That's just the habitable planet factor.

Not whether any life evolves at all.

Not whether any humanoid life evolves.

Not whether any humanoid life ends up becoming technologically advanced.

And only if all of that at roughly the same time Earth did in timespans of billions of years..otherwise they may have gone extinct 300 million years ago, moved their civilization to the other side of the galaxy, or will evolve but won't for another 2 billion years.

You didn't get it.
Abiogenesis isn't known about by contemporary science.
No matter how much it might pretend to know.
Therefore your idea indicating 'very unlikely life within 50 light years' doesn't hold up. Whether you mean 'sentient' or not. I'm not going back to check. Either.
You've made another of what could be called 'unsupported opinion' which is a polite term - maybe too polite.
Like your position that the 'oceans are too big to be added to' and your suggestion that melted glacial ice water would 'dilute' into the ocean. One of your biggest bloopers. And better that people should know that you made it.
Pre-teens a third your age know what happens when you add water to water - that there's then more water! That's its not like salt 'going into/dissolving in water.
Better that people should know you pushed that adding more water doesn't result in more water.
And its not an 'attack'. You're proud of such disinformation from you. Like T-guy is proud.

DiogenesDue
Elroch wrote:
playerafar wrote:

A russian billionaire who's fathered over a hundred kids has now been 'limited'.

Ironically, this could lead to those 100 kids having a father in prison (he's out on bail at the moment). As far as I know, he does not support them in any way.

I assumed that the statement was pure satire since Tate is nowhere close to being a billionaire. Forbes estimated his net worth based on assets seized at $4 to $12 million.

playerafar
DiogenesDue wrote:
Elroch wrote:
playerafar wrote:

A russian billionaire who's fathered over a hundred kids has now been 'limited'.

Ironically, this could lead to those 100 kids having a father in prison (he's out on bail at the moment). As far as I know, he does not support them in any way.

I assumed that the statement was pure satire since Tate is nowhere close to being a billionaire. Forbes estimated his net worth based on assets seized at $4 to $12 million.

There's somebody in the news (not Tate) who is sometimes called 'the Russian Mark Zuckerberg'. Being referred to. Elroch knows who it is. I'm thinking you know too Dio - I'm mentioning it 'just in case'. Lol.

DiogenesDue
playerafar wrote:

There's somebody in the news (not Tate) who is sometimes called 'the Russian Mark Zuckerberg'. Being referred to. Elroch knows who it is. I'm thinking you know too Dio - I'm mentioning it 'just in case'. Lol.

Okay, well, no real interest in that. Or the real Zuckerberg.

playerafar
DiogenesDue wrote:
playerafar wrote:

There's somebody in the news (not Tate) who is sometimes called 'the Russian Mark Zuckerberg'. Being referred to. Elroch knows who it is. I'm thinking you know too Dio - I'm mentioning it 'just in case'. Lol.

Okay, well, no real interest in that. Or the real Zuckerberg.

Unfortunately the real Zuckerberg - the US one - is screwing things up.
But that one pertains to politics so I can't go further on that one.
I mentioned the russian one because of a 'connection' to Tate.
The poster who originally showed that picture -
was referring to the limitation of the King in chess (I think) ... (in addition)
and why was the Queen made more powerful?
In Africa the female lion does more of the hunting ... another analogy.
Was the Queen made more powerful in chess - as a kind of joke?
The male has to prove something - so he's more 'limited'.
You know women will sometimes maintain that gal-talk is smarter than guy-talk and I think that's often true.

Elroch

The queen in chess was not originally a queen, it was a vizier, an advisor to a monarch, typically a male role, especially historically. In Russia the piece retains that name.

Elroch
DiogenesDue wrote:
playerafar wrote:

There's somebody in the news (not Tate) who is sometimes called 'the Russian Mark Zuckerberg'. Being referred to. Elroch knows who it is. I'm thinking you know too Dio - I'm mentioning it 'just in case'. Lol.

Okay, well, no real interest in that. Or the real Zuckerberg.

The billionaire with the prolific sperm donation is the CEO of Telegram, Pavel Durov, currently on bail in France. It's unfortunate that he appears to have been so happy to enable some of the worst criminals in the world - he has in the past been a force for good in Russia, standing up against the state. But I suppose he is as willing to assist child rapists as opposition voices if it makes money.

playerafar
Elroch wrote:

The queen in chess was not originally a queen, it was a vizier, an advisor to a monarch, typically a male role, especially historically. In Russia the piece retains that name.

But still - it became a 'female' piece in the west and the russians are using western chess sets. Yes? I don't claim to know.
Did Queens advise Kings. I'd say so. Even today.
Doesn't mean Henry VIII took such advice.
But that could be a point in that an 'advisor' can go places a king cannot afford to go because its not safe for him.
Kings don't like going undercover either. More power with that crown on.

Elroch

Apparently some Russian amateur players do use a translation of the word queen colloquially for the piece, but professionals don't do so, like English-speaking professionals tend not to refer to their "prawns".

DiogenesDue
Elroch wrote:

The billionaire with the prolific sperm donation is the CEO of Telegram, Pavel Durov, currently on bail in France. It's unfortunate that he appears to have been so happy to enable some of the worst criminals in the world - he has in the past been a force for good in Russia, standing up against the state. But I suppose he is as willing to assist child rapists as opposition voices if it makes money.

Ahhh, no wonder. I use Signal, far more secure than Telegram.