Chess will never be solved, here's why

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playerafar
ardutgamersus wrote:

oh my god you guys are still at it

and you're here.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

oh my god you guys are still at it

i know right ?...weve gone from square one to square four. only 60 more to go. 16000 posts lol !

Elroch
ardutgamersus wrote:

oh my god you guys are still at it

Solving chess is hard...

CountryballAle77

bien

playerafar
Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

oh my god you guys are still at it

i know right ?...weve gone from square one to square four. only 60 more to go. 16000 posts lol !

It was already over 16k when you posted Lola.

MEGACHE3SE
ardutgamersus wrote:

oh my god you guys are still at it

tbf the actual conversation only just started a couple weeks ago because some goofy guys kept derailing the conversation with their personal fantasies.

playerafar
MEGACHE3SE wrote:
ardutgamersus wrote:

oh my god you guys are still at it

tbf the actual conversation only just started a couple weeks ago because some goofy guys kept derailing the conversation with their personal fantasies.

and for over two years!
MEGA is correct.
Many 'real conversations' are possible about 'chess solving' and the many possible forms of that.
Good conversation is helped by some disagreement - 
but disagreement doesn't have to always be realism versus vehement illogical fantasies.

playerafar

Interesting that that spamming person's account goes back to last year.
After his post is deleted - will I be deleting mine?
Don't know yet.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

who here feels chess has been philosophically solved ?

personally ?...im not sure what to think.

playerafar
Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

who here feels chess has been philosophically solved ?

personally ?...im not sure what to think.

If philosophy is not 'solved' then chess isn't either.
But 'definitions' are involved.

guynamedhayden
Should we start a counter?

#16300
crazedrat1000
ardutgamersus wrote:

oh my god you guys are still at it

what began as a dumpster fire first spread to nearby apartment buildings... then overtook the city block, and made its way to the firehouse... after torching the firehouse it spread to the nearby water treatment facility, and reduced it to ash.... it's now an unstoppable firestorm dumpster fire that threatens all residents

Elroch
playerafar wrote:
MARattigan wrote:

Under FIDE what? There is no 5-fold under FIDE basic rules and never has been. And what players on this planet do probably bears very little relation to any solution.

You're getting to know EE.
Like tygxc - he never backs up on his invalid assertions.

The reason for a 3-fold repetition rule is to give some arbitrary leeway to players looking for a win but having trouble finding it. It is a very human rule.

DiogenesDue
ibrust wrote:
ardutgamersus wrote:

oh my god you guys are still at it

what began as a dumpster fire first spread to nearby apartment buildings... then overtook the city block, and made its way to the firehouse... after torching the firehouse it spread to the nearby water treatment facility, and reduced it to ash.... it's now an unstoppable firestorm dumpster fire that threatens all residents

Since this "fire" is completely contained, you have made the worst of all possible analogies here. Surely you can do better.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

and then elmer fudd sung...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSFUOvevRnE

EndgameEnthusiast2357
Elroch wrote:
playerafar wrote:
MARattigan wrote:

Under FIDE what? There is no 5-fold under FIDE basic rules and never has been. And what players on this planet do probably bears very little relation to any solution.

You're getting to know EE.
Like tygxc - he never backs up on his invalid assertions.

The reason for a 3-fold repetition rule is to give some arbitrary leeway to players looking for a win but having trouble finding it. It is a very human rule.

Yes but 5 fold it can be declared by the arbiter immediately, without anyone having to claim it. 5 fold also guarantees that the same position is in fact the exact same position at least 3 times, as even of the player to move changed, after 5 times it has to be at least 3 repetitions of one of the sides to move, aspect of it.

MARattigan

You mean the exact same diagram plus side to move, not the exact same position. If it's the exact same position it can't be a repetition - it can only be the exact same position. Déjà vu is just a psychological quirk.

Also the triple repetition has to be claimed when it occurs, so if the same diagram occurs five times the triple repetition draw is not necessarily claimable on the last occurrence. The last one could be Black to play when three or four of the previous ones were White to play.

bellachesspro2

Great points! Basically, chess could be "solved" in theory if we had infinite computing power and knew every possible move and counter-move. But right now, even the top computers like Rybka or Stockfish can’t fully solve it—they just give us the best moves based on what they know. So, while players like Kasparov and Capablanca have pushed the game to its limits, there’s still a ton of depth and complexity to explore. Chess isn't "solved" yet and might never be in a practical sense.

TumoKonnin
bellachesspro2 wrote:

Great points! Basically, chess could be "solved" in theory if we had infinite computing power and knew every possible move and counter-move. But right now, even the top computers like Rybka or Stockfish can’t fully solve it—they just give us the best moves based on what they know. So, while players like Kasparov and Capablanca have pushed the game to its limits, there’s still a ton of depth and complexity to explore. Chess isn't "solved" yet and might never be in a practical sense.

infinite time too

MARattigan

Don't think so.

There's only a finite amount of computation required, so it would be n/∞ = 0.