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EndgameEnthusiast2357

Oh Diog just thought I should update everyone from the climate threads that I have now driven 5000 gasoline fueled car miles since the start of the new year.

DiogenesDue
OctopusOnSteroids wrote:

Are we solving Optis life story now, when did we get done with chess

I'm caught up now. Sorry for not being online 24x7 wink.png.

I know you're still relatively new here, but there are long reaching consequences of letting Optimissed pontificate unopposed. He will become more and more overbearing until it all comes out anyway in a Messianic explosion. Better in smaller doses, believe me.

Anyway, I just posted about Rat's idea, which is just a slightly mutated form of "all arguments on both sides are equally valid by default" that tends to be used by those lacking in published support. If you don't know that something has been hashed out by experts over years or decades and come into things blind, then that's how you end up with this "but I have brand new things to say, take me seriously and go through the entire process all over again so I can feel satisfied" point of view comes from.

DiogenesDue
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

Oh Diog just thought I should update everyone from the climate threads that I have now driven 5000 gasoline fueled car miles since the start of the new year.

Does anyone care? You are insignificant...you know, statistically in terms of emissions.

Save the bile for your Doordash customers.

MARattigan
Optimissed wrote:

For instance, my wife was done by mensa and measured at 156-158 (she can't remember which). She's at the beginning of the range of what I'd call genuine high intelligence and still she may only have the complete confidence she has because she's with me. Although I'm not so sure about that because she really impressed me when we met and, apparently, I really impressed her. That was 39 years ago.

Unfortunately, you're not bright enough to realise nobody's f***ing interested.

playerafar
DiogenesDue wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Elroch wrote:

I propose that @Optimissed be recognised as the world leader in giving inflated estimates of his IQ at a very senior age.

Do you consider yourself bright average, bright or very bright? You often seem to fail to understand ideas. Are you really in any position to judge? Also 73 isn't "very senior". These days people start to get old at 80.

Actually there are number of changes that occur at 60, and this is a well established line of demarcation of the start of real decline. By the 70s and 80s it's pretty pronounced. In your case, I would say that the decline is not as visible because your pre-existing delusionary worldview would tend to hide your cognitive decline since it looks like business as usual for you.

Adding - whatever age-related decline Opto is having now is irrelevant to the subject of his gross and narcissistic exaggerations about himself and denials of his negatives. His IQ obsessions and pompous attitude are deranged anyway - among the list of other things.
As is EE's phobia list and his convictions he can resolve his OCD and other problems by pressing the accelerator on his car. Or by boasting for tens years about illegally exceeding the speed limit and not getting caught.
What will happen now? Some posters (Octo is one) complaining about these subjects being too personal while failing to blame the people who splash their personal lives and IQ and OCD issues all over the internet including here. Octo should complain to them about their behaviour but I predict he won't. Because he doesn't.
People get talked back to. Fact of life in the forums.
When is it a verbal chess game and when is it not? There's no clear demarcation.

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

Oh Lordy. Maybe we were being very generous when we gave you 130. However, I tend to go with 135, which is the level that small fish start to get too big for their pond. That behaviour can be a characteristic of 135 to 155. After about 155, in my experience people have genuine confidence and don't need to pretend, since they are the bish fish in big ponds.

You're going with 135 because I was once said years ago that my IQ tested a little higher than Kasparov (when I was proving a point about apocryphal IQ claims about GMs) ...and for no other reason. You have no special insight into...well, seemingly anything beyond basic philosophy and breaking down estates for auctions or the like.

MARattigan

Is that younger people's brains slow down because they move faster?

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:
DiogenesDue wrote:

You're going with 135 because I was once said years ago that my IQ tested a little higher than Kasparov (when I was proving a point about apocryphal IQ claims about GMs) ...and for no other reason. You have no special insight into...well, seemingly anything beyond basic philosophy and breaking down estates for auctions or the like.

I didn't know K was tested but I can gauge IQ reasonably well.

Other stuff too, which you wouldn't understand. Do you understand anything about cognitive relativism? It can mean various things but we aren't going for the obvious.

Yes, you did, in fact, know that Kasparov was tested by Der Spiegel magazine in 1987. You participated in the the discussions about it here on more than one occasion (and how could you not?...you make a beeline for every IQ thread ever posted here).

You have forgotten quite a bit at this point.

I'm sure Ziryab could back me up here.

MARattigan

"You have forgotten quite a bit at this point."

You shouldn't mock the aged.

DiogenesDue
MARattigan wrote:

"You have forgotten quite a bit at this point."

You shouldn't mock the aged.

I know that was a joke, but for those that might not realize that...it's not really mocking when you are simply dispelling the ridiculous claims of somebody who thinks they are unsurpassably brilliant and infallible.

Interestingly, when Ponz went through this same visible progression, I felt sorry for him. Optimissed, not so much.

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

I remember the conversation. I did not necessarily believe that the Der Spiegel test was all that legitimate.

Far more legitimate than your claimed IQ score, since it was independently administered and witnessed.

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

The above text is taken from the Internet Encyclopaedia of Philosophy.

To some extent, epistemological relativism is my specialism in philosophy but I think they make a bit of a meal of it here.

However, I have done something different and explored the very fundamentals of thought and of thinking processes, forming a philosophical hypothesis which, one day, will become better known. I have identified the fundamental principles of thought and of how more complex philosophical viewpoints may be built up from the fundamentals.

Translation: you hope that somebody will posthumously grant you the meaning in your life that you have always felt was missing given your perceived superiority over your fellow man.

Most probable outcome: all your boxes of stuff will be in a landfill.

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

I'm good enough at whatever I do to self-administer. You would cheat, of course, so you're refelcting your self-concerns in your pronouncements. But it was entirely a scientifically valid test when I did it.

So you aren't denying that you self-administered the tests from a book, then. Now would be progress. Kudos.

playerafar

A person who likes to insist he's superior to everyone in the forum - his name begins with O - and he trolls to that effect constantly.
Such bad manners by 'O' are toxic to the atmosphere of forums.
But somehow - some are afraid to blame him for it.
So maybe he deserves some credit for ability to 'own' some of the members while accusing others of 'having a cabal'. In other words accusing others of that which he does.
Some credit. For making that his life's work.

playerafar
MARattigan wrote:

Is that younger people's brains slow down because they move faster?

Younger people have more grey cells. Neurons.
So they tend to have more of something called 'fluid intelligence'.
However they don't have as much experience and also haven't had as much time to consider their experiences.
So middle-aged people tend to have more 'crystallized intelligence'.
But older people have often 'set' their thinking - which can make it more difficult to adapt or be objective. On the other hand they have had more time to develop good thinking habits and discipline. Different from 'reviewing experience'.

EndgameEnthusiast2357
DiogenesDue wrote:
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

Oh Diog just thought I should update everyone from the climate threads that I have now driven 5000 gasoline fueled car miles since the start of the new year.

Does anyone care? You are insignificant...you know, statistically in terms of emissions.

Save the bile for your Doordash customers.

Funny cause 75-80% is doordashing! But Occasionally I throw in a driving the entire length of the Jersey Turnpike to Maryland and back for fun.

If everyone thought that way no one would be generating emissions. I hope my 100,000 LBs of extra co2 does help it cross a threshold that really accelerates warmer weather. BTW what's the current status of the US with the Paris Accord and EV mandates? 🤣🤣🤣

MARattigan

@playerafar

It was a joke. Cognitive Relativism. Geddit?

playerafar
MARattigan wrote:

@playerafar

It was a joke. Cognitive Relativism. Geddit?

Hi Martin.
I commented anyway. Reddit?
happy

EndgameEnthusiast2357
Optimissed wrote:
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

Oh Diog just thought I should update everyone from the climate threads that I have now driven 5000 gasoline fueled car miles since the start of the new year.

I was also doing 35000 per year for years. All necessary .... keeping the UK functioning ... at least, part of it functioning and also keeping my dad happy. Now, I'm a non-driver. I walk a lot.

Yeah I do that combination too, lots of driving and when the weather gets nicer, running. But I still drive to the places I run. Also when I do occasionally doordash in the city, I look for the first legal spot within 3 blocks when approaching the drop-off building. If I see one, I grab it, and run there and back. You absolutely cannot cherrypick parking in NYC. Sometimes I drag my dad along so that he can mind the car and I can just stop wherever I want + put the park-wherever lights on.

Elroch

I am surprised at that wrong guess!