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crazedrat1000
DiogenesDue wrote:
 

I didn't say anything about a "book" on my end.

You've already lost that debate. It's not complicated - you don't know his IQ, you don't believe his claims are credible - it's an opinion. If you're still confused go read about skepticism.

Keep trying

DiogenesDue
crazedrat1000 wrote:

You've been reduced to mashing together official-sounding terms into a ball of nonsense at this point, since he's not even claimed to have taken an official IQ test whose score is documented - at least I've never seen him claim that. That's not the set of claims we're talking about in this conversation, anyway.

You may want to reread the bit on pseudo-skepticism vs. true skepticism, you are deeply confused about how reality works I'm sorry to say

Addressing your edit here, I will just say that you are overreaching at this point.

You obviously understand quite well that when somebody is (already dubiously and fallaciously) claiming victory in various discussions, supposedly due to demonstrably superior intellect, that the lynchpins of such an argument require that the claims actually manage to hold up beyond the level of self-proclamation and personal arrogance.

DiogenesDue
crazedrat1000 wrote:

You've already lost that debate. It's not complicated - you don't know his IQ, you don't believe his claims are credible - it's an opinion. If you're still confused go read about skepticism.

Keep trying

Back to unilateral claims and your "keep trying" catch phrase, I see...that's how I know when you've exhausted your ammo. Better luck in future.

mpaetz
crazedrat1000 wrote:

The real irony is I'm in the majority, just not online where pseudo-intellectual antisocial types often dominate.

In 2022, roughly 77% of the world's population belonged to one of the four major religions: Christianity (31.6%), Islam (25.8%), Hinduism (15.1%), and Buddhism (6.6%). Other religions account for 10.6%.

i.e. roughly 88% of the worlds population is religious, and every major religion has contained in its religious texts examples of divination in some form. Hence my opinion is - infact - shared in some form by the vast majority of people around the world and throughout history. 
People usually just keep their more difficult-to-prove beliefs to themselves. But being difficult to prove, and having no basis... those are different things.

For most of human history the overwhelming majority of people, including religious "authorities", believed that the Earth was flat, at the center of the universe, and the sun, moon, and stars revolved around us, travelling under the Earth at night to reappear in the east the next morning. Do you believe this was true for all those millenia, and the cosmos underwent a reconfiguration a few centuries ago? Or is it possible that popular religions reflect the mistaken opinions of their adherents?

DiogenesDue
playerafar wrote:

Translation of C-Rat's post. He has lost. Is caught. Exposed.

I don't know if I would go that far, but I will say that when see him write "keep trying", I can imagine a cartoon-ish voice saying "Exit, stage left"...

playerafar

Translation of C-Rat's recent posts. He has lost. Is caught. Exposed.
He's now trying to do damage control but it isn't working.
C-Rat also doesnt get it that when whoever constantly tells false posts as he does - that there's no way to hold it together.
Dio actually never had to prove Opto's IQ claims were false ... the point is Opto trying to use IQ claims as points of argument in other subjects.
This went right over C-Rat's head as he keeps repeating that same mistake over and over again.
He's also continuing to attend to my posts - contradicting what he was saying a very few minutes ago.

LTO10

https://www.chess.com/play/tournament/5491815

playerafar

Here's some info about arrogance and discourtesy among titled chess players ....
but first -
its ironic that Opto and C-Rat have the arrogance and discourtesy
but without the titles!
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'Arrogance and discourtesy among titled chess players can be a significant issue, often stemming from a combination of their deep passion for the game and the competitive nature of chess. Here are some insights:
Arrogance in Chess: Some titled players exhibit arrogance due to their high level of skill and the intense emotional investment they have in the game. This can manifest as overconfidence or a sense of entitlement, leading to condescending behavior towards less experienced players.
Competitive Advantage: There may be a competitive advantage to appearing arrogant, as it can intimidate opponents and boost one's own confidence. This is similar to other individual sports where mental toughness and belief in one's superiority can influence the outcome.
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Personal Experiences: Beginners and lower-rated players often report encountering titled players who are condescending or rude. This can create a hostile environment, especially in local chess clubs, where the culture can vary significantly'

crazedrat1000
Dubrovnik-1950 wrote:
crazedrat1000 wrote:

I'm not challenging the data, I'm challenging your ability to read and interpret things, which seems pretty lackluster.

My chess.com elo is 1955 today. If you're claiming that FIDE is 150 below that - well then it's 150 below that. That's about the end of the analysis. I don't exactly know what it is since I shifted to blitz, then bullet, and now I'm into daily. I'll go back to rapid at some point and then we'll really know. But looking at my last 500 games is not somehow more insightful than just looking at my current rating.
On the other hand, in daily I'm probably actually higher rated than rapid, but I haven't played much daily hence I'm only at 1500 there currently.

"So no, that evidence doesn't support your conclusion, of course you'd like to construe it as such but no"

There is not much to interpret. Since the AI draws the conclusions. And the computer AI saw the rise in your Elo over the 586 games.

Then gave the correct Elo for your last game date in the data set.

And the computer nailed your Elo for your game play like OP.... And it matches the expected difference between Chess.com Elo, and Fide ELO.

And yes I know you also cheat with a opening book in your online games.

I might be the most active commentator in the opening section of this forum and have studied it almost exclusively since I started, I have not even started on studying the endgame or midgame yet, hence the skew that you see there. This is something I have spoken about many times before. It's why I can confidently out-debate 2300s on the opening, but still I'm only rated 1950. So yes, my knowledge of the opening far outstrips the other aspects of my play - for now.

I simply am taking a progressive systematic approach to learning the game. That is my style. You would know nothing about it...

What you are is a good example of what happens when a feeble minded person is given an AI tool and presented with lots of statistics which they're incapable of interpreting in an intelligent way.

Now, I think cheating accusations are against the rules - so keep it up and you might find yourself moderated.

crazedrat1000
mpaetz wrote:
crazedrat1000 wrote:

The real irony is I'm in the majority, just not online where pseudo-intellectual antisocial types often dominate.

In 2022, roughly 77% of the world's population belonged to one of the four major religions: Christianity (31.6%), Islam (25.8%), Hinduism (15.1%), and Buddhism (6.6%). Other religions account for 10.6%.

i.e. roughly 88% of the worlds population is religious, and every major religion has contained in its religious texts examples of divination in some form. Hence my opinion is - infact - shared in some form by the vast majority of people around the world and throughout history. 
People usually just keep their more difficult-to-prove beliefs to themselves. But being difficult to prove, and having no basis... those are different things.

For most of human history the overwhelming majority of people, including religious "authorities", believed that the Earth was flat, at the center of the universe, and the sun, moon, and stars revolved around us, travelling under the Earth at night to reappear in the east the next morning. Do you believe this was true for all those millenia, and the cosmos underwent a reconfiguration a few centuries ago? Or is it possible that popular religions reflect the mistaken opinions of their adherents?

It's a completely abstract and unrelated argument. I can give you an example about how the pioneers used to treat infections with colloidal silver before microscopes were invented. Neither my example nor yours would say anything about divination, the existence of God, or any number of other things religious. The claim the earth is flat is not even in any major religious texts. Infact, most of these religious texts predated the scientific revolution and weren't even written with respect to a scientific materialist viewpoint. Even so, you're naturally approaching this topic from a philosophical standpoint, but my claim with respect to divination is not a primarily philosophical claim and never has been. So it's actually just a totally irrelevant debate you're trying to start here. 
I could not care less if you have an atheist materialist worldview, this matter has been debated a million times before, the conclusion is always completely pre-determined in the minds of those involved, it's never very interesting. 
Keep trying

mpaetz

The point is that the fact that 88% of the population might have some belief that unverified speculations are true is no strong proof that they actually are. You used that statistic to buttress Opti's statements that he does have psychic abilities (that he never bothered to develop), and accuse others of unfairly challenging his assertion.

playerafar

@DiogenesDue - one slight error by me in a recent post.
My mistake. I fixed it with the edit button.
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and C-Rat now trying to threaten members.
Like what Opto has done so many times.

playerafar
mpaetz wrote:

The point is that the fact that 88% of the population might have some belief that unverified speculations are true is no strong proof that they actually are. You used that statistic to buttress Opti's statements that he does have psychic abilities (that he never bothered to develop), and accuse others of unfairly challenging his assertion.

Yes.
C-Rat is apparently superstitious among his other failings.
That would make him an easy recruit for Opto.
Opto 'believes' his own remarks about psi abilities? Probably not.
But he has so little regard for honesty that he probably loses track.
I've seen signs of that many times from people who troll.
They stop caring and therefore stop knowing whether they believe their own nonsense or not!
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Elroch

98% of children love cartoons. Therefore cartoons are real.

For adults, I would recommend Pantheon.

Elroch

May I introduce you to the notion of irony?

"Optimissed - notion of irony.

Notion of irony - Optimissed. "

(I am not 100% sure you will be friends).

Also, my specialisation was mathematically analysis, although at post-grad level fields tend to overlap. For example measure theory and functional analysis find natural common ground, and measure theory is the foundation of calculus and also key to probability theory, which is more my subject than statistics.

As for simplicity, have you understood my posts on the probability theory of infinite sequences of IID boolean random variables yet? (Rhetorical question).

OctopusOnSteroids
Dubrovnik-1950 wrote:

FYI - It is a fair play violation to use opening play assistance on Chess.com.

Wanna elaborate how that score is calculated? The 250% score in opening theory is a comparison to what exactly? Does it consider that some play only one opening that might be easier to memorize than some other line?

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

That's a good post. It is predatory, yes. It isn't a great big deal because we have, now, five people who are attempting this, whereas the group they're addressing is much bigger and most people already know them for what they are. They avoid them or at least, avoid interaction with them much of the time.

It's a bit on the low IQ side though because if I really am someone who is as useless as they claim, how can they hope to achieve status by defeating me? So it's trollish, slipshod thinking whichever way it's looked at, as is the steadfast claim that they are not working together, which doesn't deceive anyone. Elroch and I have been on the opposite sides of arguments a dozen or more times and there's almost always a scenario where he doesn't get what I'm saying. I think maybe once or twice I learned something from him. With Dio it's into the hundreds and he has monumental memory lapses, which goes with the territoty. He rarely gets a big picture or even a small one. Player regularly quotes me and adopts my arguments a week or two later. Yes, it's a small group of people trying to impose a group authority upon a larger group and using dubious means to achieve it. MAR could actually be brighter than the rest and doesn't cause waves by showing it too obviously.

I was definitely wondering about the seemingly fake data shown by Dubrovnik concerning games of mine. Obviously they could not have been rapid play, as he claimed. many people may be unaware of the way others use the blitz and rapid here to practise with. Understanding different mind sets and motivations can be difficult. However, my efforts have obviously been successful in what I was trying to achieve, since I've made a comecack into competitive chess last year (otb real life league chess) after six years out of it. The last competitive game I had played had been May 2018. Although Daily Threeday chess is a great way to learn and improve, it sets a very strange mindset and there's a compulsion to move the pieces around to check variations when you're playing otb. It was quite difficult to focus for a while and there's a tendency just to stop playing a game and enjoy a position. In 5 mins chess you just lose. Therefore refamiliarisation was necessary. I'm unbeaten in all the competitive rapidplay and classical games I've played since I came back, winning all the others including a 5/5 in a rapidplay tournament but drawing the last two classical games where I should/could have won both of them. The opposition were 1935 and then 2035 FIDE so I wasn't too bothered getting those two draws when I knew I had lost my sharpness, although I should have won both of them.

I've played a couple of games here, in 3-day Daily, one of which was a strategic win as black against the Stonewall Attack, where I think I played more/less perfectly .... there's a slight question of whether I needed to do the short king walk near the end. I couln't work it out in the time I had and so decided to do it for safety. I think it was correct. My accuracy score is better than the engine eval because the engine would have thrown away the win. I would say my accuracy is about 100%. In the other, that was a Nimzo-Indian where I used an approach I was using in blitz, which turned out to be substandard. The opponent could have equalised with ... Re8 but played ...g6 instead. I thought I could see a win th moment that happened. The engine evaluated my accuracy in that one as 98.8 but that is incorrect. Although one could say I played a perfect game, since the inaccuracy at the beginning drew the blunder from my opponent, I think the true accuracy was a point or two lower than 98.8%. I'll post both games, to irritate the natives.

As for the spurious 0.6% or something in endgames in the dodgy data, that's inexplicable.

Fictional narratives bolded above.

There's no "status" in debunking your delusions...it's rather easy and a tedious chore, frankly. Many posters do it, presumably as kind of a public service when they see you spouting off. You're a nasty piece of work, and that tends to draw a diversified communal effort.

Nobody really cares about your games. That's why they sit there in the threads you post them in like stones in a riverbed...the water has to flow around them, but other than that they serve no particular purpose.

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

I think it's a kind of myth, that most people in most times thought the earth was flat. After all, you can see the earth's curvature very easily from a 5000 foot hill. The Phoenicians sailed to America and that was a fair time ago. So did the Vikings. They weren't expecting to drop off the edge. It would be normal and understandable to think that the earth was the centre of the universe, due to the optics of sun, moon, stars etc. No big deal. It was only the development of maths which demonstrated that the earth isn't the COTU.

We've been through this before when you were buddies with Noodle, chess.com's resident flat earther. You can't really detect the earth's curvature at 5,000ft with the naked eye. In the past it would require a theodolite to detect, even at the highest elevations reachable sans flying.

Naturally, you argued at the time that your superhumanly keen eyesight allowed you to personally see the curvature at the top of hills without any instrumentation. It's amazing what conformation bias will allow one to perceive if they are willing to abandon reason.

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

But nobody really cares about your narrative, except your comrades in arms: the fellow trolls you are aiming at. No-one remotely intelligent is going to believe that your judgements are any more than a very bitter person trying to convince a very small audience.

I'll post those games, since you've mentioned them. Thanks for your interest,

Go ahead and upload as many games as you like. It's not like you have anything better to spend your time on.

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

This is the strategic game. The accuracy by black is far better than the 92.8% given, because the engine doesn't understand the moves.

Just more proof of your lunacy. Didn't bother with the game.