And #19606?
Chess will never be solved, here's why
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Mar 11, 2025
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#15603
Dubrovnik-1950 wrote:
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Fool was the perfect response.
That is what makes chess imposible to solve.
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On the contrary; if you can always find the perfect response, you're well on the way.
Mar 11, 2025
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#15604
Mar 11, 2025
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#15605
Yes, that was a good answer to #19606, but a trifle incomplete. Could you elaborate?
Just posting for achievement. Sorry lads
Mar 11, 2025
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#15607
Dubrovnik-1950 wrote:
What are you trying to claim now. I do not get it. Spit it out...
It's really not so difficult.
Can ... you ... answer ... the ... questions ... I ... asked ... you ... in ... #19606 ... ?
They're ... in ... bold ... at ... the ... bottom ... .
Mar 11, 2025
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#15608
If you're struggling with the language, Google translate is quite a good AI application these days. It will do Croatian.
Mar 11, 2025
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#15609
Try ... again:
You ... said ... , ... "What are you trying to claim now. I do not get it. Spit it out..." ... .
The ... fact ... is ... I'm ... not ... trying ... to ... make ... any ... claim ... .
I'm ... just ... asking ... you ... to ... answer ... the ... questions ... I ... asked ... in ... #19606 ... so ... I ... can ... see ... if ... you ... understood ... any ... of ... our ... discussion ... .
(Pokušajte ... ponovo:
Vi ... ste rekli ... , ... "Što sada pokušavate tvrditi. Ne razumijem. Ispljunite to..." ... .
Činjenica ... je ... ja ... ne ... pokušavam ... dati ... bilo ... kakve ... tvrdnje ... .
Ja ... samo ... tražim ... od ... vas ... da ... odgovorite ... na ... pitanja ... koja sam ... postavio ... u ... #19606 ... pa ... ja ... mogu ... vidjeti ... jeste ... li ... razumjeli ... nešto ... od ... naše ... diskusije ... .)
Mar 11, 2025
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#15610
Sorry if I tried to distract you back onto the thread topic. As you were.
Lmao. It seems as if MARattigan was desparately trying to feed instructions to a chatbot in any way possible but keeps receiving a "sorry, could you repeat that again?"
Mar 11, 2025
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#15612
MARattigan wrote:
@Dubrovnik-195
Would you still maintain that the only way to solve chess is to do a full width search of the whole game tree?
Does @Dubrovnik-195 really not understand that a weak solution of chess (what is normally mean by a "solution", just as for other games like checkers, connect4 etc.) is not a full width search?
I suppose Grok 3 omitted to tell him.
Mar 11, 2025
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#15614
Really? Where? (I knew it was unreliable, but obviously not how unreliable.)
Mar 11, 2025
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#15615
Dubrovnik-1950 wrote:
You know those long post. With the questions and answers from Grok....
Look there fraudster.
Does that mean you didn't really see it at all and you're just relying on having dumped enough junk on the thread so that nobody will be able to check? I wonder, what would you call somebody that does that sort of thing?
Mar 11, 2025
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#15616
Dubrovnik-1950 wrote:
That question has been ask and answered.
But if you want to try and refute it, we will add that to your unrefuted list.
Please tell us how you are going to make a weak solution to chess. That solves chess.
That question has been asked. To repeat it was:
Does that mean you didn't really see it at all and you're just relying on having dumped enough junk on the thread so that nobody will be able to check? I wonder, what would you call somebody that does that sort of thing?
But it hasn't been answered.
And your original statement was that Grok asserted, "A weak solution does not solve chess.", so your last sentence is just a red herring. I asked you where it said that (also not answered).
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Mar 11, 2025
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#15619
Dubrovnik-1950 wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Obviously it does solve chess. Weakly. Better get rid of this garbage nomenclature anyway. Start again, this time with no game theorists to add their dose of it going to slove it weakly. Until it has solved chess.
How do you know what moves to remove. From the weak solution? What moves do you play for whites first move?
Think about it....
You don't remove any moves from the weak solution you just play the ones that come up from the start of the game according to the solution. And you get the right result (or the best possible result depending on which definition of "weak solution" you use).
For White's first move - see above. White's first move will depend on the solution.
To state that a weak solution of chess solves chess is a truism as @Optimissed pointed out. The statement doesn't offer to provide a specific solution.
The flip side is that to state that a weak solution of chess does not solve chess, as you claim Grok did is an oxymoron. It seems unlikely that Grok is programmed so badly.
At times I cant tell if Dubrovnik is serious or just milking fun reactions by feeding us AI spam or one of the three insults he knows.