Chess without drawn games

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Ziryab
drumthrasher wrote:

100% some Draw rules are really bad. For me, a draw should only be committed through a handshake. The only true draw is when you both only have your king left. That is a draw where you can both hold your heads high. Most draws in chess feel like a loss for one player and a win for the other. Navigating into a draw is cowardly and should be an auto loss as only bad players think that way. 

 

Multiply your rating by three and you’ll still have less than the rating of these “bad players” who seek draws when the position demands it. Consider, for example, game 5 of the just completed World Chess Championship. Both players were nearly perfect. Then, in game 6, they played the longest WCC game in history, which was still technically drawn until 130….Qe6.

Elbow_Jobertski
LosingMyEdge wrote:

I knew the OP would be American. They hate draws over there for some reason, whereas in England we're happy to play cricket for 5 days only for it to end in a draw... and it's great.

 

I mean, when OP started talking about there being no draws in football... and if there were a lot of draws it wouldn't be popular, well... yeah. USA!!! Why draws are such a bummer to Americans is sort of a mystery. 

Even looking at US football, the 1968 "Harvard Beats Yale, 29–29" game is considered one of the best college gridiron games of all time. 

Draws are fine. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Elbow_Jobertski
drumthrasher wrote:

100% some Draw rules are really bad. For me, a draw should only be committed through a handshake. The only true draw is when you both only have your king left. That is a draw where you can both hold your heads high. Most draws in chess feel like a loss for one player and a win for the other. Navigating into a draw is cowardly and should be an auto loss as only bad players think that way. 

Which is more interesting: a player battling to the end to try to get a clever draw, or a player resigning? 

nklristic
drumthrasher wrote:

100% some Draw rules are really bad. For me, a draw should only be committed through a handshake. The only true draw is when you both only have your king left. That is a draw where you can both hold your heads high. Most draws in chess feel like a loss for one player and a win for the other. Navigating into a draw is cowardly and should be an auto loss as only bad players think that way. 

 

So, one of the players refuses the draw here. Do they play until one of them dies of old age?

EAL12

Draws are a necessary evil. The good far outweighs the bad.

joseluisquirogabeltran

They should implement your rules in chess.com as an optional way of play and see how many people play it.

Ziryab
Ziryab wrote:

Draws are good, right, and proper. They are the reward of knowledge, experience, and performance.

 

RioM2
nklristic wrote:

So, one of the players refuses the draw here. Do they play until one of them dies of old age?

 

1. One simple solution, is: if game is draw (agreement, repetition of the same position, 50 move rules), then game is won by stronger side. This rule is used in Korean Chess: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janggi#Miscellaneous_rules

2. In Chinese Chess is not possible threefold repetition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiangqi#Rules

 

Digital_Flame123

We can make chess totally draw free and here is how I intend to do it-

Chess Without Draws

Rules

1. All rules are same except for the draws.

2. If drawn person with higher piece advantage gets the point

3. No draw by agreement.

4. No 50-move draw.

5. No 3-fold repetition, if made it would be counted as an illegal move.

6. If drawn with same points then rules are given

Stalemate

If stalemated king on edge, then king has an extra row/column to go to and whenever it gets the chance it must come out, it cannot be checked in that column.

If stalemated king is in the center, it misses its turn.

Insufficient material

If insufficient material then the player who captured a piece the last will win.

canadian_rt
Digital_Flame123 wrote:

We can make chess totally draw free and here is how I intend to do it-

Chess Without Draws

Rules

1. All rules are same except for the draws.

2. If drawn person with higher piece advantage gets the point

3. No draw by agreement.

4. No 50-move draw.

5. No 3-fold repetition, if made it would be counted as an illegal move.

6. If drawn with same points then rules are given

Stalemate

If stalemated king on edge, then king has an extra row/column to go to and whenever it gets the chance it must come out, it cannot be checked in that column.

If stalemated king is in the center, it misses its turn.

Insufficient material

If insufficient material then the player who captured a piece the last will win.

I thought the original post was bad but somehow you have cleared that bar and made even worse ideas lol. Just leave the rules alone

xtreme2020
That’s the stupidest idea I’ve ever heard, chess works just fine without all these rules, the rules would make endgames go on literally forever, because no one wants to trade their last piece because then they lose, and there’s no 50 move rule to stop them going on forever. This is what draw rules are for, so games don’t just go on into infinity without either player ever being able to end the game without taking a loss
RioM2

I've tried several versions with Fairy Stockfish. It's clear that rules like insufficient material and stalemate are supposed to be a win-win - that's how it used to be in Chaturanga.

In our version of chess, what works in Korean doesn't work well - that in a draw, the value of the pieces is added up and whoever has more points wins (black would be added half a point to make it not a draw). In our version of chess, black would have a clear advantage and, moreover, the games would not be interesting - black would just have to play for a draw and white, in case of a pawn gain, would also just hold the position and would not have to assert himself.

A rule similar to the one in King of the Hill seems to me to be the best complementary rule. With that, the king that reaches the opponent's side first, wins. It doesn't change the overall nature of the game but it does create some very interesting endings.

Of course this rule does not cover all situations - in those where it is not decided this way and there is a draw (50 move rule or 3x the same position) black wins.