Chess.com is becoming Bad

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Darth_Doom

Has anyone else noticed that Chess.com is becoming filled with a bunch of very, very bad chess players?

Think about it for a second. 

  1. Lack of Sportsmanship
  2. Time victory cheaters
  3. Premoving
  4. Win at all costs bad people
  5. Lack of Common courtesy

Is this really what chess is supposed to be about?

In timed chess, players on chess.com often don't even play to win by achieving a checkmate.  They move around the board and use premoves to work towards timed victories even though they cannot possibly win.  I even watched a tournament game where one player checked the other 30 times in repetition in the same two squares over and over again.  Rather than offer a draw or even receiving credit for a draw, the other opponent used his premoving feature and won on time with less than 5 seconds remaining on his clock.  That was pathetic.  It was one of the most horrible games to watch and the player from Russia was proud of the fact that he received credit for a "timed victory" even though the game was clearly a draw.  It could not possibly be a timed victory in real life especially with only his 5 seconds remaining to his opponents 1:01 seconds.  It was very very bad and the game play of that Russian made my stomach turn in disgust.  That Russian player didn't even end up winning the tournament which I came in second place after defeating a bunch of wimps and losing to another player because he used premoves and moved around the board aimlessly.

Why would this chess site continue to allow people to do this in timed chess matches that supposedly count towards ratings?  How could this be just?  How is this not something that all decent chess players would be against?

I understand that there must be difficulties in running a chess site, but to promote cheating online is very very bad and it actually is a disservice to the game of chess.  It is not fair competition and there is nothing good about what is happening here.  or should I say what is being allowed to happen under the guise of what is considered "allowed".  In fact, the site even provides for it knowing full well that it is creating bad chess players.

If you were to do that to anyone who you know personally, then that person would not have a good opinion of you as a chess player.  There is chess etiquette I believe but it really seems lacking here.  

Isn't that something that is wrong?  Isn't that something that all good chess players should stand against?  

I have been told by such cheaters that I should not play 3/0 chess or blitz matches, but the fact is that they should not be playing blitz matches if they have to cheat to win.  It is a problem that is very prevalent here and no one with the power to do something about it really seems interested in doing the right thing which would be to get rid of such cheating!  

This is simply not right.  Perhaps I am the only one to say this on this site, but I had to say it because what is happening here is very very bad. 

Darth_Doom

Perhaps no one even cares, but if good chess players really search their souls, they should realize that this site is creating a bunch of no good dirty cheaters who lack sportsmanship and do not know the meaning of fair play.  If anyone disagrees with this, then I strongly urge you to take a look at the frontpage of opponents who use premoves against you in a match or someone who you feel demonstrates poor sportsmanship.  You will see that many many players on this site are disgusted with the antics of timed victory cheaters who use premoves and the features available to cheat their way to timed wins in games that they have no business playing in the first place.

Ballofwhacks

So, it's cheating... how?

ameraljic

I think he's just angry because he lost a game, lol. If you don't want to play people who play on time, don't play blitz.

DerekDHarvey

My opponent disconnected when i started winning and I lost - game abandoned. Why is this possible?

msimx

very very bad, very bad, its all very very bad

/get over it

derekj1978
Darth_Doom wrote:

Has anyone else noticed that Chess.com is becoming filled with a bunch of very, very bad chess players?

Think about it for a second. 

Lack of Sportsmanship Time victory cheaters Premoving Win at all costs bad people Lack of Common courtesy

Is this really what chess is supposed to be about?

In timed chess, players on chess.com often don't even play to win by achieving a checkmate.  They move around the board and use premoves to work towards timed victories even though they cannot possibly win.  I even watched a tournament game where one player checked the other 30 times in repetition in the same two squares over and over again.  Rather than offer a draw or even receiving credit for a draw, the other opponent used his premoving feature and won on time with less than 5 seconds remaining on his clock.  That was pathetic.  It was one of the most horrible games to watch and the player from Russia was proud of the fact that he received credit for a "timed victory" even though the game was clearly a draw.  It could not possibly be a timed victory in real life especially with only his 5 seconds remaining to his opponents 1:01 seconds.  It was very very bad and the game play of that Russian made my stomach turn in disgust.  That Russian player didn't even end up winning the tournament which I came in second place after defeating a bunch of wimps and losing to another player because he used premoves and moved around the board aimlessly.

Why would this chess site continue to allow people to do this in timed chess matches that supposedly count towards ratings?  How could this be just?  How is this not something that all decent chess players would be against?

I understand that there must be difficulties in running a chess site, but to promote cheating online is very very bad and it actually is a disservice to the game of chess.  It is not fair competition and there is nothing good about what is happening here.  or should I say what is being allowed to happen under the guise of what is considered "allowed".  In fact, the site even provides for it knowing full well that it is creating bad chess players.

If you were to do that to anyone who you know personally, then that person would not have a good opinion of you as a chess player.  There is chess etiquette I believe but it really seems lacking here.  

Isn't that something that is wrong?  Isn't that something that all good chess players should stand against?  

I have been told by such cheaters that I should not play 3/0 chess or blitz matches, but the fact is that they should not be playing blitz matches if they have to cheat to win.  It is a problem that is very prevalent here and no one with the power to do something about it really seems interested in doing the right thing which would be to get rid of such cheating!  

This is simply not right.  Perhaps I am the only one to say this on this site, but I had to say it because what is happening here is very very bad. 

"bunch of wimps"

And you are the one to complain?

I_Am_Second
Darth_Doom wrote:

Has anyone else noticed that Chess.com is becoming filled with a bunch of very, very bad chess players?

Think about it for a second. 

Lack of Sportsmanship Time victory cheaters Premoving Win at all costs bad people Lack of Common courtesy

Is this really what chess is supposed to be about?

In timed chess, players on chess.com often don't even play to win by achieving a checkmate.  They move around the board and use premoves to work towards timed victories even though they cannot possibly win.  I even watched a tournament game where one player checked the other 30 times in repetition in the same two squares over and over again.  Rather than offer a draw or even receiving credit for a draw, the other opponent used his premoving feature and won on time with less than 5 seconds remaining on his clock.  That was pathetic.  It was one of the most horrible games to watch and the player from Russia was proud of the fact that he received credit for a "timed victory" even though the game was clearly a draw.  It could not possibly be a timed victory in real life especially with only his 5 seconds remaining to his opponents 1:01 seconds.  It was very very bad and the game play of that Russian made my stomach turn in disgust.  That Russian player didn't even end up winning the tournament which I came in second place after defeating a bunch of wimps and losing to another player because he used premoves and moved around the board aimlessly.

Why would this chess site continue to allow people to do this in timed chess matches that supposedly count towards ratings?  How could this be just?  How is this not something that all decent chess players would be against?

I understand that there must be difficulties in running a chess site, but to promote cheating online is very very bad and it actually is a disservice to the game of chess.  It is not fair competition and there is nothing good about what is happening here.  or should I say what is being allowed to happen under the guise of what is considered "allowed".  In fact, the site even provides for it knowing full well that it is creating bad chess players.

If you were to do that to anyone who you know personally, then that person would not have a good opinion of you as a chess player.  There is chess etiquette I believe but it really seems lacking here.  

Isn't that something that is wrong?  Isn't that something that all good chess players should stand against?  

I have been told by such cheaters that I should not play 3/0 chess or blitz matches, but the fact is that they should not be playing blitz matches if they have to cheat to win.  It is a problem that is very prevalent here and no one with the power to do something about it really seems interested in doing the right thing which would be to get rid of such cheating!  

This is simply not right.  Perhaps I am the only one to say this on this site, but I had to say it because what is happening here is very very bad. 

Its the e-thug mentality.  In over 30 years of playing chess i have had 1 bad encounter with someone rude.  Needless to say his coach toook care of it, and he apologized.  But on chess.com it happens all the time. 

Its the security of knowing that sitting behind a monitor make you annonymous.

kco

premoving is part of the live chess.

Jion_Wansu

To avoid premoves, just use openings that are rare

Meet_Your_Sensei

I have to say that timed winnings are dishonest actionsFrown

I_Am_Second
Meet_Your_Sensei wrote:

I have to say that timed winnings are dishonest actions

Not at all...that is why you use a clock in tournaments.  I do agree that you sould resign in a losing position, and anyone decent will do that.  this is why you dont see good players playing on in hopelessly lost positions, trying to get stalemale or a time win.  But for beginners?  You always play on.

Ronnee

YES cheating occurs frequently. You cannot seem to get ahead because you lose poinys which set you back a lot. I have another INTERESTING issue to HIGHLIGHT. I just played parviz-0000 rating 987 versus Ronnee 813. Well I CLEARLY won that game but my higher ranked opponent was declared the outright winner.     THIS HAPPENED AGAIN about 2 games previous when i opposed another high ranked opponent about 980 rating SAME NIGHT That higher ranked player was declared the winner WHEN he really LOST. There was no sabotage no disconnection issues JUST BIASED JUDGING scoring points to higher ranked players. I am not playing again tonight as I am FED UP with the end results. IN TWO games that I clearly won  my score would have been great . IF CHESS ,COM continues like this i WONT BE SEEKING MEMNBERSHIP AGAIN. There is no point . YOUR SCORING SUCKS>

RG1951

        If you don't think you can win and might lose on time, but repetition is happening and your opponent is premoving, claim the draw, It's simple! Trying to win on time is perfectly legitimate.

Sred

Play with increment.

RG1951

        I once had a situation where I had a knight and a few pawns and my opponnt had a rook and the same number of pawns. I was therefore at a disadvantage materially, but I found a series of two or three moves which thwarted my opponent's efforts to progress. Two or three positions were subsequently repeated over and over again. My opponent had less time than I, but it became clear that he did not know how to claim a draw. I regarded this as my good fortune and carried on. With only a few seconds left, my opponent resigned, apparently not wishing to lose on time. Time management is part of the game and I should have thought that knowing how to claim a repetition draw is pretty basic.

Darth_Doom
rajnikant001 wrote:

branding premove as cheating option is bit wrong. whenever i am playing games in live chess, i usually suffer from a lag in the range of about-- " 900-1500" ms. sometimes, the lag is even worse .now, if i make a move in one sec, due to lag,it looks like i have taken 2 sec which is injustice to me. but if i use premove ,it  nullifies the  lag in my case . hence for me, premoving is boon.

but i totally agree with you on the part where players were premoving a drawn position just to get a "timed" victory.

 

Yes.  I agree...  if you are using pre-moves to level the playing field due to a lag in your connection that sort of makes sense.  However, most cheaters will begin premoving when there is less than 30 seconds remaining in order to get timed victories or even timed draws.  That's cheating plain and simple.  It happens a lot on chess.com and the feature is being abused to "cheat" in matches where there is no possibility of winning fairly.

Darth_Doom
RG1951 wrote:

        I once had a situation where I had a knight and a few pawns and my opponnt had a rook and the same number of pawns. I was therefore at a disadvantage materially, but I found a series of two or three moves which thwarted my opponent's efforts to progress. Two or three positions were subsequently repeated over and over again. My opponent had less time than I, but it became clear that he did not know how to claim a draw. I regarded this as my good fortune and carried on. With only a few seconds left, my opponent resigned, apparently not wishing to lose on time. Time management is part of the game and I should have thought that knowing how to claim a repetition draw is pretty basic.

 

Wait...  if you know it is a draw, you would rather win on time than call it a draw yourself?  There is nothing admirable in your actions.   Think about it. 

Darth_Doom
RG1951 wrote:

        If you don't think you can win and might lose on time, but repetition is happening and your opponent is premoving, claim the draw, It's simple! Trying to win on time is perfectly legitimate.

 

Playing to win on time by premoving is cheating... plain and simple.

RG1951
Darth_Doom wrote:
RG1951 wrote:

        If you don't think you can win and might lose on time, but repetition is happening and your opponent is premoving, claim the draw, It's simple! Trying to win on time is perfectly legitimate.

 

Playing to win on time by premoving is cheating... plain and simple.

        "Cheating" is breaking the rules. Trying to win on time is not breaking the rules. Therefore it is not cheating. Your claim is illogical....plain and simple.

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