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Avatar of mattyf9

I know there have been multiple threads on this topic.  Most people seem to believe that chess.com ratings are a bit inflated but I disagree.  I've been playing on here for a few years now and I think its more difficult to increase your rating on this site than your actual uscf rating.  Especially the blitz ratings.  My blitz rating has been pretty stagnant in the mid 1300 range.  When I play blitz games at my club, I play against 1700-1900 rated players with pretty decent results.  Yet when I play 5 minute blitz games here I lose to players as low as in the 1200's sometimes.  Does anyone feel the same way?

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From ~1900 to ~1200, that is an incredible leap !

But I lose regardless so lol Everyone loses every now and then, though I don't understand how someone can beat players of about 1900 then lose online to players of 1200 rank. That being said, there are many strong online/live chess players capable of causing upsets.

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Yes it was been conclusively proven, from the research of University professor Ulrich Adam von Rinkleff of Düsseldorf, that chess.com blitz ratings are, on average, about 200 points lower than that same person's USCF rating.

I could post a link to the discussion if you please.

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johnmusacha wrote:

Yes it was been conclusively proven, from the research of University professor Ulrich Adam von Rinkleff of Düsseldorf, that chess.com blitz ratings are, on average, about 200 points lower than that same person's USCF rating.

I could post a link to the discussion if you please.

Joke if you like.  But I consistently play against an 1850 uscf rated player in 5 minute blitz and probably win almost 50% of the time.  Maybe he's just not a strong blitz player I dunno.  But in general I find chess.com ratings to be lower than normal.  If you disagree fine.  I just feel players in the 1300 blitz pool here seem very strong.  If anyone has an actual opinion and not some lame attempt at a joke I'd appreciate it.

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I'm not joking.  Would you like to see the link?

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And I throughly agree with you that chess.com ratings are lower than USCF ratings for the same person.

It's just that this idea has been researched exhaustively over the last 3 years. It is the von Rinkleff hypothesis.

Wanna see?

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Is rating matters....just play to chill....:-D

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johnmusacha wrote:

And I throughly agree with you that chess.com ratings are lower than USCF ratings for the same person.

It's just that this idea has been researched exhaustively over the last 3 years. It is the von Rinkleff hypothesis.

Wanna see?

lol ok post it.

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Facebook wrote:

Is rating matters....just play to chill....:-D

For some yes.  For me not so much, just making an observation.

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Ok, here, enjoy!

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/livechess/chesscom-ratings-are-deflated-against-uscf

Avatar of RonaldJosephCote

                       God, you finally posted it. You only asked him 19 times. Now I can go to the bathroom.

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Yeah the ratings are deflated.  fact.

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RonaldJosephCote wrote:

                       God, you finally posted it. You only asked him 19 times. Now I can go to the bathroom.

Actually he asked twice.

Avatar of learning2mate

1300 blitz players here are not that strong. I have little knowledge about the correlation between USCF and Chess.com ratings but I doubt an online rating is a good indicator of your OTB strength. I goof off in blitz a lot for example and I'm 1400's on here.

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Ah yes, fair enough for your first impression, but please read the information contained in the "link" posted in post #10 above. 

It will open your eyes

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johnmusacha 

Ah yes, fair enough for your first impression, but please read the information contained in the "link" posted in post #10 above. 

It will open your eyes

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It really is a silly thread. Trying to compare the two is futile since there are SO MANY variables to take into consideration. Here are the 2 most significant:

1. Time controls. Very few people on Chess.com play the same time controls found in non-blitz/bullet OTB games. This is certainaly the most important factor separating the two.

2. Different pool of players. No doubt a lot of OTB players play at Chess.com. But Chess.com also has many people who don't play OTB at clubs or tournaments.

It is really one of those silly 'chessminded' exercises to try and compare the two.

Avatar of Kh918

Chess.com is a UCI 2 engine.

It is a computer based web site.

Nothing more than fritz.

Fritz is honest when ratings matter.

But there are cheaters all over in the web site.

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kleelof wrote:

johnmusacha 

Ah yes, fair enough for your first impression, but please read the information contained in the "link" posted in post #10 above. 

It will open your eyes

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It really is a silly thread. Trying to compare the two is futile since there are SO MANY variables to take into consideration. Here are the 2 most significant:

1. Time controls. Very few people on Chess.com play the same time controls found in non-blitz/bullet OTB games. This is certainaly the most important factor separating the two.

2. Different pool of players. No doubt a lot of OTB players play at Chess.com. But Chess.com also has many people who don't play OTB at clubs or tournaments.

It is really one of those silly 'chessminded' exercises to try and compare the two.

You can definitely compare the two.  Just because they are not exactly the same does not mean they cannot be compared.

Please withhold judgment until you thoroughly read the discussion cited above.

That should answer all your questions.

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I read that thread a long ago and felt the same way then.

Sure, you can compare the 2 just like you can compare apples and oranges.

Personally, I prefer oranges.Laughing

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Me too.