Chesscom's new Game review, what the heck happened?

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kliedesys

absolutely hate it, hope they'll roll back soon

spideypowers

the new one is just garbage compared to old one. hope they change it soon

Martin_Stahl
kliedesys wrote:

absolutely hate it, hope they'll roll back soon

There are no plans to roll back. Staff are looking at feedback and making modifications to the new design.

Compadre_J

@Post #22

Nothing is identical about the screenshots I posted.

Yadav_Yogesh

I hadn't used the new game review, and when I saw this forum and used it, I would say it is worse compared to the old one

V_Awful_Chess
Compadre_J wrote:

@Post #22

Nothing is identical about the screenshots I posted.

They are identical in function. Aesthetics don't matter that much.

I'm more interested in the removal of features I wanted, and the addition of a feature I don't want as default (namely, the arrows).

Kenjitsuka

Where is the feedback I pay for:

"You really outplayed your opponent in that one. You took advantage of what your opponent gave you in the opening. You were a cut above your opponent in the middlegame. You outmaneuvered your opponent in the endgame!"

The Review SHOULD give feedback for all four: full game, opening, middlegame and endgame!!!
It used to do it, and now it's gone!

Kenjitsuka

On another note, something about the new and old design I would love changed:

Give the percentage accuracy for opening, middlegame and endgame directly. Now you get a bunch of symbols, and you have to hover the mouse over each to see the percentage. Six times in total... There is PLENTY of space to have both the symbol AND the percentages on screen at once, so please make it so! Or at least give the option to toggle between symbol and percentage!

Martin_Stahl
Kenjitsuka wrote:

Where is the feedback I pay for:

"You really outplayed your opponent in that one. You took advantage of what your opponent gave you in the opening. You were a cut above your opponent in the middlegame. You outmaneuvered your opponent in the endgame!"

The Review SHOULD give feedback for all four: full game, opening, middlegame and endgame!!!
It used to do it, and now it's gone!

Yes that has been removed. That said, it's basically just a text representation of the comparisons of accuracies in each phase of the game. How you did in those sections shown.

Martin_Stahl
V_Awful_Chess wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:

@Post #22

Nothing is identical about the screenshots I posted.

They are identical in function Aetherics don't matter that much.

I'm more interested in the removal of features I wanted, and the addition of a feature I don't want as default (namely, the arrows).

You can turn off Show Best Move in the Analysis settings under Interface > Review

mikewier

Is there a glitch in Stockfish? I had a game in which Stockfish said my 12th move was a mistake. It said that Black would have a -.6 advantage by playing a different move. When I analyzed that position separately, Stockfish said that the previously recommended move was a mistake, with a .3 advantage for White. So, the same move was considered both a mistake and the best move, with evaluations of both -.6 and +.3.

V_Awful_Chess
Kenjitsuka wrote:

Where is the feedback I pay for:

"You really outplayed your opponent in that one. You took advantage of what your opponent gave you in the opening. You were a cut above your opponent in the middlegame. You outmaneuvered your opponent in the endgame!"

The Review SHOULD give feedback for all four: full game, opening, middlegame and endgame!!!
It used to do it, and now it's gone!

Well, I guess you're right if you value that. I don't. It never tells me anything I don't already know. "You lost on time" wow, really, I never would have guessed that.

What I'm more bothered about is the dropping of differences in move evaluations and the removal of suggested lessons/puzzles.

The latter rather baffles me. Chess.com must want people to do lessons/puzzles because it incentives them to buy premium, so why drop it?

But neither of those are present in your screenshot.

V_Awful_Chess
Martin_Stahl wrote:
V_Awful_Chess wrote:
Compadre_J wrote:

@Post #22

Nothing is identical about the screenshots I posted.

They are identical in function Aetherics don't matter that much.

I'm more interested in the removal of features I wanted, and the addition of a feature I don't want as default (namely, the arrows).

You can turn off Show Best Move in the Analysis settings under Interface > Review

I know that now, but I'm telling you, it's really annoying and difficult to find. Many won't bother and will just stop using game review.

An actual improvement in game review would involve making the settings easier to find, at least.

Martin_Stahl

If you're on a full browser you can just click the settings icon beside the board to get there.

I use mobile web a lot and the mobile optimized site, which requires extra steps

Kenjitsuka
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Kenjitsuka wrote:

Where is the feedback I pay for:

"You really outplayed your opponent in that one. You took advantage of what your opponent gave you in the opening. You were a cut above your opponent in the middlegame. You outmaneuvered your opponent in the endgame!"

The Review SHOULD give feedback for all four: full game, opening, middlegame and endgame!!!
It used to do it, and now it's gone!

Yes that has been removed. That said, it's basically just a text representation of the comparisons of accuracies in each phase of the game. How you did in those sections shown.

If it's "just" that, it should be super easy to NOT remove it. I was about to pay for a much more expensive subscription JUST to get unlimited reviews, but now that they have been destroyed for zero reason there doesn't seem to be a reason anymore.
I really liked the per phase feedback and it's ridiculous to destroy that for no reason. Or was it "too cluttered for our cool designers"? Then you can just hide it behind a drop down "details" section, just like you did for half the move evaluation list.

Martin_Stahl

I don't know the specifics on why it was removed, though may it was felt it didn't really add value beyond the evals already there or wasn't always accurate.

StickerFish1

Any screenshots about the new game review? I still didn't get it

Martin_Stahl
scarysacrifice wrote:

Any screenshots about the new game review? I still didn't get it

It's changed a little since the initial beta release but there are some screenshots here: https://www.chess.com/announcements/view/game-review-gets-a-brand-new-design

bill_eev

So unsatisfying to use. I wonder if they tested it on actual users first. Doesn't look like it. 
I mean in review it always stops after ONE MOVE to explain it. So odd.
Clunky, less informative, less intuitive, worse design.

StickerFish1

#42 it's almost the same as the current why people are angry here?