Claim a draw - Opposite colored Bishops

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BigAlex

I am playing an online game and we have reached a dead draw position (opposite colored bishops). I've offered a draw but my opponent insists to continue to play. Since this is an online game, it will last forever.... Is there any way I could claim a draw in this situation?

BigAlex

I guess there is a way to submit the position to the staff to judge it

TheGrobe

The same is true of fortresses.  Unfortunately, without adjudication (which is admittedly quite labour intensive), the only recourse at the moment is to wait out the 50 move rule and claim your draw.

Atos

The people who insist on playing on in dead drawn positions in correspondence are a real nuisance.

TheWinningGenius

you should just sacrifice your bishop and if he takes it it will be a draw and you can make a draw by the 50 moves rule.

TheGrobe

Not a bad suggestion in this case, actually.

Atos

I don't believe that we are supposed to give advice, even if it's a position where  a donkey would agree on a draw. 

TheGrobe

Yeah, technically, you're right.

Poompat
TheCheckmateMaster wrote:

you should just sacrifice your bishop and if he takes it it will be a draw and you can make a draw by the 50 moves rule.


 Actually, if it is  "K+B vs K"  ending, the position is automatically drawn. (no need to wait for 50-move rule: just press "offer draw" button.  This is according to the Chess.com Help file I read here)

 Getting back to the main question (the issue posted here), the critical point is this:  Is the position truly "dead draw" as BigAlex posted?   That is, is it a K+B vs K+B (same color or opposite colors make no difference)

 Do not forget that "Book draw" has no meaning in FIDE Laws of Chess, or anywhere else for that matter. Even many GMs lost "book draw" positions, or won "book lost" positions, you know.

Gomer_Pyle
Fezzik wrote:

In another thread, a kid posted a question about a position that had already passed in an active game and was labelled a cheater. Here, people are freely offering advice  to an adult in a game that's still obviously active?

I don't understand the rationale of some posters.


If you're referring to my post a couple days ago, the position being asked about was the exact position of the game at that time. The game has moved on since I posted the link.

I saw this thread earlier and debated with myself whether it would be ethical to post advice. I couldn't decide if this question and position were generic enough so I figured I'd just leave it alone.

jonnyjupiter

I've lost an endgame that was opposite coloured bishops. GMs have lost them too. Not all opposite coloured bishop endgames are drawn, so there would be no way to make it an automated process. Playing out the ending may take quite a lot of effort to make sure it is really drawn. If it's one of those positions where no progress can be made, but your opponent plays on - you have my sympathy.

PrawnEatsPrawn

@ BigAlex

 

If he won't take a draw then you must play for the win.

Atos

Yeah, most probably. What you have on your side is, since the opponent declined a draw, you know that he will likely be trying to force a win. He might just make a mistake there, but you have to be patient and wait for it.

RichColorado

Just by having opposite color bishop does not make it a draw. What if you have a bad bishop and he has a good bishop. Maybe you can't the possibiblities of a win and he can?

 

BigAlex

Well, I´ll play on and see what it happens. Now his vacation mode turned on lol

BigAlex
DENVERHIGH wrote:

Just by having opposite color bishop does not make it a draw. What if you have a bad bishop and he has a good bishop. Maybe you can't the possibiblities of a win and he can?

 


I have the good Bishop and he has the bad one. Anyway for me it´s a sterile position. Let´s see what happens. I can even lose!

Baldr

I looked at the games BigAlex is playing.  One of them has oposite colored bishops.  It also has 7 pawns left on each side.

That game will probably end in a draw, but it's hardly a given.

Play on. 

It won't last, as you say, "forever", because there is a 50 move rule and a rule about repeating a position 3 times. 

And if either side finds a way to make headway with their pawns, then they have a chance to win the game.

I don't see why people complain about this sort of thing.  It's a corrospondence  game, and you have a couple of others going.  Most people play more than one corrospondence game at a time.  So you havea a game which isn't ending quickly.  Is it that hard to make a move each time your opponent does?

The game has rules.  Some of those rules say when you can claim a draw.  So far, you haven't reached that point.

The part about "This game will last forever" is simply a lie.

polydiatonic
Fezzik wrote:

In another thread, a kid posted a question about a position that had already passed in an active game and was labelled a cheater. Here, people are freely offering advice  to an adult in a game that's still obviously active?

I don't understand the rationale of some posters.


I don't see the problem.  People are making remarks about Opp colored bishop endings in general.  There isn't any diagram or anything here with the specifics of the game position is there?  Besides some of the "helpful" comments appear to be completely ludicrous.

Dragec
El_Senior wrote:

Rules of chess:

King vs King: draw

King vs. King and Bishop: draw

50 moves without a pawn move or capture: draw

3-fold repetition: draw

Opposite color bishops: not an automatic draw. Annoying perhaps, but not automatic.

Read the rules.


When referencing to the rules, one must be precise(FIDE 5.2. d. and e.) Wink:

50 moves without a pawn move or capture: may be drawn

3-fold repetition: may be drawn

Elroch
BigAlex wrote:

I am playing an online game and we have reached a dead draw position (opposite colored bishops). I've offered a draw but my opponent insists to continue to play. Since this is an online game, it will last forever.... Is there any way I could claim a draw in this situation?


It will not last forever. Play the easy moves and claim a draw by 3-fold repetition or the 50 move rule when appropriate.