Clock rules in Rapid events - Chess Forums

leoamitz

Oct 16, 2016

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Hi, Recently i have come across a lot of controversy in fide rated tournaments, due to use of clocks. A recent incident being, player A , moves a piece and is about the press the clock to indicate move completion. However before he does that player B (opponent of player A), makes his move before player A presses the clock. In this case, is it legal for player B to do that? If it is legal, then isnt it cheating, as player B is playing his move on Player A's time. Thirdly, if pressing of the clock is an indication of move completion, isnt the move by player B illegal? Also assuming everything above is legal, isnt player B playing on Player A's time and gaining secs every move, which over a game duration of 50 moves, add to at least 30 secs. Isnt that stealing time?

notmtwain

Oct 16, 2016

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leoamitz wrote:

Hi, Recently i have come across a lot of controversy in fide rated tournaments, due to use of clocks. A recent incident being, player A , moves a piece and is about the press the clock to indicate move completion. However before he does that player B (opponent of player A), makes his move before player A presses the clock. In this case, is it legal for player B to do that? If it is legal, then isnt it cheating, as player B is playing his move on Player A's time. Thirdly, if pressing of the clock is an indication of move completion, isnt the move by player B illegal? Also assuming everything above is legal, isnt player B playing on Player A's time and gaining secs every move, which over a game duration of 50 moves, add to at least 30 secs. Isnt that stealing time?

Yes, it seems you are correct but if Player A didn't object at the time, it is too late now.

Lagomorph

Oct 16, 2016

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See article 6.2 of the FIDE rules of chess.

If a player does not press his clock, and his opponent makes a move, the player's next move "completes" his first move.

If the opponent is deliberately making his moves without giving the player a chance to press the clock the arbiter should intervene.

leoamitz

Oct 16, 2016

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@Lagomorph...yes player A objected...as he felt cheated for player B using his time to make the move. As per Article 6.2, it also says that the time between playing a move and pressing the clock is allotted to the player who has made the move. So as per the last 3 lines of article 6.2 it is wrong i believe. What i have seen is, people take unnecessary advantage of this situation, and it puts the opponent off which might lead to a loss in game.

below is what 6.2 says as per Fide website.

6.2

During the game each player, having made his move on the chessboard, shall stop his own clock and start his opponent’s clock (that is to say, he shall press his clock). This “completes” the move. A move is also completed if:
1. the move ends the game (see Articles 5.1.a, 5.2.a, 5.2.b, 5.2.c, 9.6a, 9.6b and 9.7), or
2. the player has made his next move, in case his previous move was not completed.
A player must be allowed to stop his clock after making his move, even after the opponent has made his next move. The time between making the move on the chessboard and pressing the clock is regarded as part of the time allotted to the player.

EscherehcsE

Oct 16, 2016

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As notmtwain alluded, player B is clearly in the wrong, but if player A doesn't bring it to the attention of the arbiter, he only has himself to blame.

Martin_Stahl

Oct 16, 2016

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Based on 6.2, the first player just needs to hit his clock and the second player will then have to hit the clock to complete the move.

I don't think it is illegal per the rules but is certainly unsportsmanlike.

EscherehcsE

Oct 16, 2016

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

Based on 6.2, the first player just needs to hit his clock and the second player will then have to hit the clock to complete the move.

I don't think it is illegal per the rules but is certainly unsportsmanlike.

Under that scenario, player B would still save a little time. If it's not illegal, it should be. I'd raise holy hell with the arbiter.